BLOWN Motor Part 3 (DECISION)
Dont you think with 2 blown rods that the 1st logical choice to inspect for cause would be the Bottom End and Oil pump for cause of Failure?
Working in a dealership you see similar things like the customer who brings their car in for an oil change,waits for it and as soon as it is parked outside and bill is paid for the 1st thing that they do is walk out to their parked car and walk to the passanger side rear 1/4 panel,see a dent that was qiute apparently there prior to bringing vehicle to dealer,then March back into dealer and complain that "we,the dealer" put the dent in their r.rear 1/4 panel while changing their oil and they want us to fix it,at our expense of course,WTF...
So it seems that mitsu pulls the same #hit. 2 broken rods and the 1st thing that they do is pull the head at Stews expense,say detonation caused the failure and never even pull the oil pan or oil pump to see what Really caused this failure,WOW......
Working in a dealership you see similar things like the customer who brings their car in for an oil change,waits for it and as soon as it is parked outside and bill is paid for the 1st thing that they do is walk out to their parked car and walk to the passanger side rear 1/4 panel,see a dent that was qiute apparently there prior to bringing vehicle to dealer,then March back into dealer and complain that "we,the dealer" put the dent in their r.rear 1/4 panel while changing their oil and they want us to fix it,at our expense of course,WTF...
So it seems that mitsu pulls the same #hit. 2 broken rods and the 1st thing that they do is pull the head at Stews expense,say detonation caused the failure and never even pull the oil pan or oil pump to see what Really caused this failure,WOW......
Originally Posted by turboDan
Dont you think with 2 blown rods that the 1st logical choice to inspect for cause would be the Bottom End and Oil pump for cause of Failure?
Working in a dealership you see similar things like the customer who brings their car in for an oil change,waits for it and as soon as it is parked outside and bill is paid for the 1st thing that they do is walk out to their parked car and walk to the passanger side rear 1/4 panel,see a dent that was qiute apparently there prior to bringing vehicle to dealer,then March back into dealer and complain that "we,the dealer" put the dent in their r.rear 1/4 panel while changing their oil and they want us to fix it,at our expense of course,WTF...
So it seems that mitsu pulls the same #hit. 2 broken rods and the 1st thing that they do is pull the head at Stews expense,say detonation caused the failure and never even pull the oil pan or oil pump to see what Really caused this failure,WOW......
Working in a dealership you see similar things like the customer who brings their car in for an oil change,waits for it and as soon as it is parked outside and bill is paid for the 1st thing that they do is walk out to their parked car and walk to the passanger side rear 1/4 panel,see a dent that was qiute apparently there prior to bringing vehicle to dealer,then March back into dealer and complain that "we,the dealer" put the dent in their r.rear 1/4 panel while changing their oil and they want us to fix it,at our expense of course,WTF...
So it seems that mitsu pulls the same #hit. 2 broken rods and the 1st thing that they do is pull the head at Stews expense,say detonation caused the failure and never even pull the oil pan or oil pump to see what Really caused this failure,WOW......
Originally Posted by Stew
True, but I do NOT have a good core block... so add $1800 onto that or so..
..and the turbo is an 05.
..and the turbo is an 05.
Wait... I added in that already. I said about 4grand for the bottomend without a core.
So you are realisticly looking at around 10grand, 5 k cheaper with all built stuff. No reason not too now since your warranty is shot now.
The problem is that you're adding up PARTS costs, he still has to pay someone LABOR.
Get a built 2.0L shortblock (saves money on the stroker crank) - (4k)
Get a stock rebuild on your head. - (1k maybe, providing the head isn't severly damaged)
Get a new built tranny from someone like TRE or Shepard. - (2800 from TRE)
Get a new TME turbo from FP. - (900)
Tons of miscellaneous bolts, gaskets, belts - (1k)
That total is at 9700.... that nets you a BUILT shortblock, a stout tranny, and 5300 left over to cover labor and vehicle transportation costs, which I'm sure would cover this amount of work at any of the big name shops (AMS, Buschur, Dyno4mance, etc...)
Depending on the labor quote, you might have some money left for other nick-nacks (new clutch, etc.), or just keep the left over money as savings over the Mitsu quote.
I would do all the labor for that price without hesitation, but I'm not a reputable shop....
Get a built 2.0L shortblock (saves money on the stroker crank) - (4k)
Get a stock rebuild on your head. - (1k maybe, providing the head isn't severly damaged)
Get a new built tranny from someone like TRE or Shepard. - (2800 from TRE)
Get a new TME turbo from FP. - (900)
Tons of miscellaneous bolts, gaskets, belts - (1k)
That total is at 9700.... that nets you a BUILT shortblock, a stout tranny, and 5300 left over to cover labor and vehicle transportation costs, which I'm sure would cover this amount of work at any of the big name shops (AMS, Buschur, Dyno4mance, etc...)
Depending on the labor quote, you might have some money left for other nick-nacks (new clutch, etc.), or just keep the left over money as savings over the Mitsu quote.
I would do all the labor for that price without hesitation, but I'm not a reputable shop....
Dude. I went through the exact same BS. My local performance shop sourced complete long blocks for half that price. I ended up swapping out the motor for one with 12,000 miles. I even got a 12 month/12000 mile warranty, which I can safely say is more than 
ever provided.
ever provided.
5/04,SWAP,2.0L, EVO8-19K,ROLOVR $6000
Robbin's Auto Parts USA-NC(Henrietta)
Request Quote 1-800-726-0275
That's a motor/tranny/TC/turbo swap for 6k
Evolution- COMPL C/O W/BRAIN $5500.52
M & M Imports - Southern California
Shipping only USA-CA(Fontana) 1-800-429-9000
Thats another complete changeover.
Two very good alternatives if you want to risk used parts.
Robbin's Auto Parts USA-NC(Henrietta)
Request Quote 1-800-726-0275
That's a motor/tranny/TC/turbo swap for 6k
Evolution- COMPL C/O W/BRAIN $5500.52
M & M Imports - Southern California
Shipping only USA-CA(Fontana) 1-800-429-9000
Thats another complete changeover.
Two very good alternatives if you want to risk used parts.
get a second opinion on the motor....get a reputable mechanic and a lawyer and go to mitsu and prove the way they did their breakdown of the motor was completely wrong.
im just surprised you left there without getting hostile
im just surprised you left there without getting hostile
Originally Posted by AndyBandy
get a second opinion on the motor....get a reputable mechanic and a lawyer and go to mitsu and prove the way they did their breakdown of the motor was completely wrong.
im just surprised you left there without getting hostile
im just surprised you left there without getting hostile
I didn't get the newest news until I got to work this morning (60 miles from the dealership). ....Wait until I go in there to "chat" with the GM about the sunglasses they stole out of my Evo. Mad is not the word.
wow...thats bad...denying warranty AND taking something!!
as for the magnasson moss act or whatever....they still didnt prove anything. THey didnt haev anything analyzed...they sent pictures to a rep...big deal.
MAKE THEM PROVE SOMETHING THROUGH A 3RD PARTY or you could do that part for them with your lawyer too
as for the magnasson moss act or whatever....they still didnt prove anything. THey didnt haev anything analyzed...they sent pictures to a rep...big deal.
MAKE THEM PROVE SOMETHING THROUGH A 3RD PARTY or you could do that part for them with your lawyer too
Originally Posted by Stew
Thats the plan (second opinion)..
I didn't get the newest news until I got to work this morning (60 miles from the dealership). ....Wait until I go in there to "chat" with the GM about the sunglasses they stole out of my Evo. Mad is not the word.
I didn't get the newest news until I got to work this morning (60 miles from the dealership). ....Wait until I go in there to "chat" with the GM about the sunglasses they stole out of my Evo. Mad is not the word.
F'in flip the desk over and pull him around by his tie
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
When I saw them just taking the top end apart and not the bottom end which has the parts that actually caused the problem it was a very bad indication that they were just asking you to tear down the engine far enough so they could garner enough evidence to cover their ***.
I thought the issue was the pre load in the rod bolts and if they had over streched resulting in rod bearing intolerance - fairly had to tell from looking at the head
Very dissapointing to see the deal go down like this
I agree with the other members that you should consider aftermarket alternatives and the factory parts are expensive and not any stronger than the ones which just failed
I thought the issue was the pre load in the rod bolts and if they had over streched resulting in rod bearing intolerance - fairly had to tell from looking at the head
Very dissapointing to see the deal go down like this
I agree with the other members that you should consider aftermarket alternatives and the factory parts are expensive and not any stronger than the ones which just failed
Stew, I'm extremely sorry.
It would be even a kind gesture of Mistu. to offer you like 1/2 labor rate or something.
It sounds like they 'used' you for their own data analysis, and now make you hold the bag.
One comment on "detonation." From my understanding, detonation is usually evidenced by plugs, punching holes through head gaskets, and then down towards punching holes through pistons. It is also my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that a top of a piston will melt before a rod will fail under a compressive load?
The tensile loading (probably exhaust just after TDC) is the time when rods stretch and cause problems, or stretch and break, and is not related to this "detonation?"
~j.
It would be even a kind gesture of Mistu. to offer you like 1/2 labor rate or something.
It sounds like they 'used' you for their own data analysis, and now make you hold the bag.
One comment on "detonation." From my understanding, detonation is usually evidenced by plugs, punching holes through head gaskets, and then down towards punching holes through pistons. It is also my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that a top of a piston will melt before a rod will fail under a compressive load?
The tensile loading (probably exhaust just after TDC) is the time when rods stretch and cause problems, or stretch and break, and is not related to this "detonation?"
~j.
Originally Posted by IE Evo
Al, if you really care about Stew and his predicament, why don't you talk to your boy Dave and u guys sponser him to help him out. Just a suggestion and not an attack. Good idea IMO because as u claim not many of Engines that u tune fail. So Stew's mishap can be viewed as an isolated incident and worrying about setting a precedents of Dynoflashed blown engines getting sponsership, will not be a worry because your track record of engine failures is low. .
Al, let me know if you want a portfolio of my race results
