BLOWN Motor Part 3 (DECISION)
Originally Posted by blonde
won't matter. the ECU is directly related to the engine so any mod done to the ECU will automatically void the warrenty. all the manufacturer has to do is show that you played with the ecu and the warrenty will be void....
I don't doubt that's what Mitsu will try to say, but it does not make it right, or legal.
Originally Posted by 4G63>OOOO
The car was modded to increase performance and did NOT have an uprated fuel pump. I think it's safe to say it was starving for fuel.
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FYI: This could still be related to oil pressure, the pan hasn't even been dropped yet.
Would modifying the code in the ecu cause the oil pump to fail,I don't think so.Was the oil pump ever even looked at by Mitsubishi to see if it possibly failed,we all know the answer to that question.Would a failed oil pump cause this sort of damage,YES,enough said.....
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
If I screwed up a tune and someone's piston melted I would fix it - period. Seriously, though if people want my help and assistance they have to work with me. You can not decide to handle things on your own, make your own decisions and then expect me to throw you a life presever when you are in a total cluster ****. For those who may ever wind up in a similar situation - epsecially those who live in my area - call me first.
In this case which has been well documented I am very confident that my product is not the cause of the failure at issue.
Also - the customer elected NOT to contact me to seek assistance when he had the incident. Instead, he chose to post all this on the internet and then take the car to
with mods on it for a warranty claim. I know this was a stressful incident but it was fairly obvious where this was all headed a few days ago.
I was not contacted before the posts were made. I was not contacted before it was taken to the dealer, and I was not contacted before the dealer tore down the engine and denied his warranty. I dont expect to be contacted now.
Best of luck to you Stew.
In this case which has been well documented I am very confident that my product is not the cause of the failure at issue.
Also - the customer elected NOT to contact me to seek assistance when he had the incident. Instead, he chose to post all this on the internet and then take the car to
with mods on it for a warranty claim. I know this was a stressful incident but it was fairly obvious where this was all headed a few days ago. I was not contacted before the posts were made. I was not contacted before it was taken to the dealer, and I was not contacted before the dealer tore down the engine and
denied his warranty. I dont expect to be contacted now.Best of luck to you Stew.
IMO All tuners make mistakes and some cars are not Base Flash compliant. Should Al help u in this case? Probably not but I feel he should start assuming a lil responsibility for a tune that displayed a dangerous AF/R above 6000 rpm. Many have had flashes from other tuners with similar mods with the stock fuel pump and AF/R were still in the safe range. Car makes no power it is a "boost leak issue" and now if a car runs lean on a base flash it is a "fuel pump issue". Only if he would of flashed u the first time with a base flash that was stock fuel pump compliant.
Last edited by IE Evo; Mar 10, 2006 at 03:00 PM.
Originally Posted by turboDan
Would modifying the code in the ecu cause the oil pump to fail,I don't think so.Was the oil pump ever even looked at by Mitsubishi to see if it possibly failed,we all know the answer to that question.Would a failed oil pump cause this sort of damage,YES,enough said.....
also Stew, i agree with you about the mitsu has to prove relation but when it comes to the ecu, they should have no problem winning the case. if all you had on the car was exahust and maybe other bolt ons than i would be right by your side helping you fight this thing. however, in my own opinion (yes, just my opinion) once ou start playing with the ecu than blaming the car company is just not fair. there are many things that could have done this damage so i am waiting for the final call on what caused this....
Originally Posted by IE Evo
In other words Stew, u pissed Big Al off by making your mishap a public spectacle. U should of kept it on the Down Low and u might of been treated better and other Evo Enthusiasts would be more apt to think Al has a perfect tuning record. Also passively stated, if there were less monetary damage to your car, Al would likely help u and assume some of the responsiblity, if premise number one had been adhered to. Even for Big Al 10,000-15,000 grand is too much Dinero and he needs that money for the built motors he will need for the next race season.
IMO All tuners make mistakes and some cars are not Base Flash compliant. Should Al help u in this case? Probably not but I feel he should start assuming a lil responsibility for a tune that displayed a dangerous AF/R above 6000 rpm.
IMO All tuners make mistakes and some cars are not Base Flash compliant. Should Al help u in this case? Probably not but I feel he should start assuming a lil responsibility for a tune that displayed a dangerous AF/R above 6000 rpm.
I think alot of these people who say Mitsu didn't build it with said and said part so it would void your warranty, forget that a Fram oil filter is considered an aftermarket part, a Fram air filter is aftermarket, anything non-OEM is aftermarket. so if I install said parts on my car does that mean my entire powertrain warranty is void since it is not OEM? what if I get Koni red shocks (dunno if they make em for the Evo or not), these are considered performance replacement shocks but still aftermarket, is the warranty for my suspension gone? What about in 5 years when the stock exhaust system rusts off and I replace it with a Meineke exhaust special then my motor dies for whatever reason, they gonna void my warranty then as well?!?!?!
If for whatever reason my warranty ever gets voided cause of an aftermarket part I'm suing SEMA.
If for whatever reason my warranty ever gets voided cause of an aftermarket part I'm suing SEMA.
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Originally Posted by blonde
IE, i am asking you to stop posting in this thread unless you have something useful to say about this issue. Al decision about helping Stew is not the issue here and all you are trying to do is start more crap up...
Originally Posted by zze86
I think alot of these people who say Mitsu didn't build it with said and said part so it would void your warranty, forget that a Fram oil filter is considered an aftermarket part, a Fram air filter is aftermarket, anything non-OEM is aftermarket. so if I install said parts on my car does that mean my entire powertrain warranty is void since it is not OEM? what if I get Koni red shocks (dunno if they make em for the Evo or not), these are considered performance replacement shocks but still aftermarket, is the warranty for my suspension gone? What about in 5 years when the stock exhaust system rusts off and I replace it with a Meineke exhaust special then my motor dies for whatever reason, they gonna void my warranty then as wel?!?!?!
Originally Posted by blonde
no, not the entire drivetrain warrenty but just that seetion. if you switch to Koni's than yes, your suspension warrenty is probably voided. yes, if you change exahust system, the exahust warrenty is voided...
As mentioned... The "photgraphic evidence", fault/responsibility argument or Moss-Magnussen do not aply here because you had already presumably violated the terms of your warranty prior to the engine failure.
You could try in argue otherwise but you would be foolish.
You could try in argue otherwise but you would be foolish.
Originally Posted by blonde
if the tune of the ecu has raised fuuel pressure, than yes the pump can and will fail because it can not supply enough fuel.
-Paul