BLOWN Motor Part 3 (DECISION)
What was their response about the fine metal shavings *all over?* The tops of the pistons don't show any signs of detonation to me, just looks like a rod let loose and the aftermath ensued. Who in the corparte chain made the final say? Like all warranty work if you point things out and continue to fight they might eventually give in. It might help to ask a lawyer friend what's his take on the situation?
All things said, 15k is a boat or a brand spankin new honda civic. For that money you could talk to some of the vendors here about a built race motor. Tell them thanks for the teardown, thanks for nothing else.
All things said, 15k is a boat or a brand spankin new honda civic. For that money you could talk to some of the vendors here about a built race motor. Tell them thanks for the teardown, thanks for nothing else.
When I saw them just taking the top end apart and not the bottom end which has the parts that actually caused the problem it was a very bad indication that they were just asking you to tear down the engine far enough so they could garner enough evidence to cover their ***.
I thought the issue was the pre load in the rod bolts and if they had over streched resulting in rod bearing intolerance - fairly had to tell from looking at the head
Very dissapointing to see the deal go down like this
I agree with the other members that you should consider aftermarket alternatives and the factory parts are expensive and not any stronger than the ones which just failed
I thought the issue was the pre load in the rod bolts and if they had over streched resulting in rod bearing intolerance - fairly had to tell from looking at the head
Very dissapointing to see the deal go down like this
I agree with the other members that you should consider aftermarket alternatives and the factory parts are expensive and not any stronger than the ones which just failed
Does anyone know if Stew could take his vehicle back to stock appearing and have it covered under warranty? Or were all of his mods in plain view. If a car is stock in appearance and pre-detonates is it not covered? Anyone?
Originally Posted by Stew
*********DECISION FROM MITSUBISHI*********
Just talked to the service manager, who talked to the district representative, who got this information from Mitsubishi:
They are DENYING the warranty work due to "PRE-DETONATION".
My first comment was, "there is no such thing as pre-detonation. Its either pre-ignition or detonation. "
Who's seen 'Malibu's Most Wanted'??? "I got Game Cast." , "uh, its either Game Cube, or Dream Cast, whatchu got?" "I SAID GAME CAST MOTHER F*CKER"
..Anyway, atleast Mistu did not care about anything to do with over-revving (which did NOT happen anyway).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does anyone else see any signs of Detonation there??? Pre-ignition??? I'm about to eat a $15,000 bill.. would like to make sure its legit.
For reference:
First thread - https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=188501
Second thread (Internal pics) - https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=188847
Just talked to the service manager, who talked to the district representative, who got this information from Mitsubishi:
They are DENYING the warranty work due to "PRE-DETONATION".
My first comment was, "there is no such thing as pre-detonation. Its either pre-ignition or detonation. "
Who's seen 'Malibu's Most Wanted'??? "I got Game Cast." , "uh, its either Game Cube, or Dream Cast, whatchu got?" "I SAID GAME CAST MOTHER F*CKER"
..Anyway, atleast Mistu did not care about anything to do with over-revving (which did NOT happen anyway).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does anyone else see any signs of Detonation there??? Pre-ignition??? I'm about to eat a $15,000 bill.. would like to make sure its legit.
For reference:
First thread - https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=188501
Second thread (Internal pics) - https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=188847
First off, the $15 k was a 'swag' estimate.. If Mitsu does not cover it I will be doing the rebuild and the price will not be that high.. Basically I'm looking for experts to help analyze the motor and tell me if they find any signs of detonation..
Originally Posted by Nesiop
Either fight better with them, as it takes a lot of arguing, we had to call reps in Cali so many times in order to get my TCase replaced. I know that is different but still.
And if not, don't be a tool and pay 15k. That makes no sense where 15k comes from. Buy a used head and block here, and if the head is fine then bottom end. If not spend the I think it is 1750 for the core charge for the block from AMS or buschur. Then the 2200 or 2800 for the built 2.0 or 2.3. And for the head I think the core is like 800.
Thats no where near 15k, and hell with labor you could pay 200 and hour and still be under that 15k lol. If you want give me the 15k and I will put a brand new motor in your car. And if you need a tranny too Shep sells a built stage3 trans I think for 3300 that includes the tranny.
And if not, don't be a tool and pay 15k. That makes no sense where 15k comes from. Buy a used head and block here, and if the head is fine then bottom end. If not spend the I think it is 1750 for the core charge for the block from AMS or buschur. Then the 2200 or 2800 for the built 2.0 or 2.3. And for the head I think the core is like 800.
Thats no where near 15k, and hell with labor you could pay 200 and hour and still be under that 15k lol. If you want give me the 15k and I will put a brand new motor in your car. And if you need a tranny too Shep sells a built stage3 trans I think for 3300 that includes the tranny.
..but the $15k was a "If the dealer were to put it back to stock, working condition" estimate..
Dont hang on the $15k number guys.
..Already talked to the Insurance company, they do NOT cover me at all. I do not have "mechanical failure" on my policy. Should have chosen that option, huh.
Originally Posted by EVOOOO8
Does anyone know if Stew could take his vehicle back to stock appearing and have it covered under warranty? Or were all of his mods in plain view. If a car is stock in appearance and pre-detonates is it not covered? Anyone?
I think that anyone else who finds him / her self in a similar situation would prob be best served to refrain from posting on the interenet about their situation, carefully restore the car to 100% stock condition and have it towed to a
dealer for repair.Once they were aware of all the drama posted on here I think at that point his car is flagged on the
compuer as no power train warranty,
Originally Posted by EVOOOO8
Does anyone know if Stew could take his vehicle back to stock appearing and have it covered under warranty? Or were all of his mods in plain view. If a car is stock in appearance and pre-detonates is it not covered? Anyone?
They probably took the head off, and when it was "being sent for inspection" just left it in the bathroom or something until they were ready to just tell you that the mods caused the problem. I mean, do you honestly think they would have ever not denied the warranty claim when they had so much information to point the problems to.
It's sad cause all you wanted was a fair estimate from Mitsu, yet I'm fairly confident that they did not give you that.
Maybe one of these snoops that Mitsu pays to surf the internet for warranty claim denials could get on here and explain to all of its customers EXACTLY why the warranty was denied and how the aftermarket parts played into this. It would sure help their public relations and give them some credibility. If they are qualified to deny warranty they should be qualified to defend that.
It's sad cause all you wanted was a fair estimate from Mitsu, yet I'm fairly confident that they did not give you that.
Maybe one of these snoops that Mitsu pays to surf the internet for warranty claim denials could get on here and explain to all of its customers EXACTLY why the warranty was denied and how the aftermarket parts played into this. It would sure help their public relations and give them some credibility. If they are qualified to deny warranty they should be qualified to defend that.
Last edited by drharlequin; Mar 10, 2006 at 09:00 AM.
I just mentioned all cept the turbo.
Built Tranny is I think 3300
Head with core built = like 2700
Built bottom End with core is almost 4 grand.
And turbo people sell around here for like 200ish unless it is the 05's.
Or you can go all out to put all the new stuff together and buy my spare HKS 3037s Turbo kit, and Alchy kit.
Al could get you some insane power out of the HKS turbo as it used to be his.
Built Tranny is I think 3300
Head with core built = like 2700
Built bottom End with core is almost 4 grand.
And turbo people sell around here for like 200ish unless it is the 05's.
Or you can go all out to put all the new stuff together and buy my spare HKS 3037s Turbo kit, and Alchy kit.
Al could get you some insane power out of the HKS turbo as it used to be his.
I was thinking the same thing. They just pulled the head to look for some BS reason to deny coverage. It was just going through the paper work, so to say, with the final determination done before the tear down began.
sucks.
sucks.
Originally Posted by Nesiop
I just mentioned all cept the turbo.
Built Tranny is I think 3300
Head with core built = like 2700
Built bottom End with core is almost 4 grand.
And turbo people sell around here for like 200ish unless it is the 05's.
Built Tranny is I think 3300
Head with core built = like 2700
Built bottom End with core is almost 4 grand.
And turbo people sell around here for like 200ish unless it is the 05's.
..and the turbo is an 05.



