Lets reel it back in people, we're walking a fine line of this one blowing up and I don't want to see that happen. I don't think many other people do either....

 

In a way this type of test is conducted every day by customers who are driving their cars tuned by various tuners all over the USA with varying tuning methods and posting here their impressions, track results and even gas mileage

I dont want to start any arguments here but those who read Car & Driver can recall what those expert car writers had to say regarding the results with one tuning house. I will not revisit those comments but they are all available via a quick goggle search. I would say that a Car & Driver extended review of a product is about as conclusive a product testing as one could propose for a automotive tuning solution ?


If you say that Car & Driver is biased, off base or made a mistake - then how could you expect one customer who is no expert to reach a accurate conclusion on who is the best tuner?


How about we have a impartial pannel of judges who will introduce a range of mechaical problems such as ingition issues, compression problems, boost leaks, etc and then see which tuner can more accurately and quickly diagnose and repair the problems - surely this is more of a real world tuning example ?

 

I have nothing to do with this

I am just offereing my own personal observations as you are also

My views are just my views

If Shiv and Buschur decide to do a dyno contest then that is up to them and has nothing to do with me

 

SAME DRIVER?

MPH is generally dictated by HP, what exactly would this prove that the dyno wouldn't?

I generally think this is irrelevant because tuning a car has a lot more to it than peak power drag racing results. The things that we would all agree aren't quantifiable on a drag strip or dyno... it's the way the car behaves on the street, part throttle behavior, the subjective things that Smoked could tell us if he could drive both tunes back to back.

I've been driving nothing but a Vishnu tuned Evo since day one. I've riden in dynoflashed cars, one of your brightest shining examples as a matter of fact. His cars power delivery is wildly different than my car, and I didn't even need to be driving to feel that. Yet he and I are trapping almost identical speeds at the strip?

 

I am sure that all tuner's end results drive fine with no serious driveability problems

In the world of high performance modification is not how fast your car can actualy go (as compared to how much it makes on a dyno) of some importace to the end user?

I thought we were all doing this in order to make our cars fast ?

If one tuner's customers can drive up to a track and consistantly go faster and quciker for less money what does that mean ?

 

I am interested to see what Mr. Buschur's response will be

My air plane door is closing and I am off to Houston

I wish you all a great holiday

 

Alrighty then...

Enjoy your flight!

 

because more things play a part in a trap speed, like transmission, clutch, weight, suspension, shift speed, linkage, cables, bushings, etc.....none of which mean jack on the dyno. so, unless all those things are the exact same trap tests are useless.

i don't necesserally think that much will come from a dyno test either. it still comes down to human preferance and a butt dyno if we aren't going off of numbers(and not just peak, of course).

only real world test would be:

1 car, 3 tracks, same driver, same day, 2 different tunes, same gas.

tune the car on the dyno(both tuners), save the tune, take it to the track.

run back to back drag runs, swapping the tune between each. then run back to back auto-x runs, swapping the tune between each. then finally run back to back road course runs, 3 laps fastest lap goes on the book, of course, swapping tunes between each.

slight variable there in tires, but it could be figured out how to make it fair.

then, if it even matters to anywone(don't see why it would). put 3 gals of gas in the car, run at 85mph on the dyno and see how many miles you guys get out of a tank. personally, that doesn't mean squat to me...but someone obviously cares about it.

my .02

 

Pretty simple: Shiv will drive 100 miles to Buschur Racing from Rahal's shop. He and David will both tune SmokedMustang's car and we can all look at the results. GREAT for the community.

 

Yep 100% spot on. Al dont bring drag racing or your 100k evo into this. Lets see what 90% of the people out there have a evo have a setup like this. I bet I could take 100k and build a 7 second evo who cares that's a 1 off deal. Have shiv and Dave tune the same car at Dave's place it's that simple. Post the graphs and lets see who does better. Stop cluttering this with the DSM shoot off or the my dad can beat up your dad crap.

 

Shiv, can I come with u on this trip? I would sure like to meet Mr. D. Buscher and company.

 

Are you going to double as a bodyguard?

Sorry, couldn't resist

 

You can also see in C&D where they ripped up One Lap a couple years ago. Have you or your products ever been in Car & Driver?

Why don't you race Shiv around a roadcourse, Al, for pink slips (if Shiv agrees to pay off Asitha's car is he loses, of course)? Same day, both cars vs. the stopwatch. You drive your 900whp car, Shiv drives Asitha's 400whp car. That's a better testament to tuning and longevity than a car that can hold together for nine seconds going through the gears in a straight line.

What do you say?

 

Comeon Seth.... don't pour 93 octane on the fire, it's not tuned for that.

 

Yeah.. let's not complicate matters with races that will never occur. The premise of the test is pretty simple. And it's completely up to Dave Buschur at this point. Maybe afterwards, we can all go head-to-head at indoor/outdoor karting for some real bragging rights

-shiv