Vishnu vs Buschur and Al.......I LOSE!!!
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Although I like this idea of two tuners getting together for a tune day and possible overcoming their dislike for each other, I see only bad coming from this. There would have to be a way to set it up in a fair manner where its rated for best drivability(not just high whp) and not just the opinion of one customer. But if this did happen, I would def wanna be there for the show 
For the sake of this thread ... the way that Smoked' posts information (relatively concise, well-thought-out) ... I truly believe an A/B comparison would help the EVO community at large.
I'm paticularly interested in what sort of number gains or losses could occur when the pump gas tuning is done, and the numbers of the first pull when the 110 *leaded* octane is put in.
Additionally I'm interested in seeing one more tuning data point regarding a TME turbo setup I'm personally starting to entertain.
Cheers,
~j.
I'm paticularly interested in what sort of number gains or losses could occur when the pump gas tuning is done, and the numbers of the first pull when the 110 *leaded* octane is put in.
Additionally I'm interested in seeing one more tuning data point regarding a TME turbo setup I'm personally starting to entertain.
Cheers,
~j.
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It will be great to compare the dyno charts to see who is better at which area of the power range etc. By their own ways of tuning philosophy.
Again both tuners are great at what they do, maybe each can learn from the other if this event ever happens? Or just open for positive discussions and dialogue.
Again both tuners are great at what they do, maybe each can learn from the other if this event ever happens? Or just open for positive discussions and dialogue.
I am here to help the community at large
. Why dont you send some of your equally modded cars to the event June 3rd. (one tuned by Shiv, on by Al or David) I will choose them to be on the team, you can swap drivers in the differently tuned cars,in ALL events, and we can see which one PERFORMS better! Click Team Import on page 1 to see the line-up so far. (under the red Viper)
www.wingedwarrior.net
Just another idea, thats all.
You will see: The Buschur cars perform better in event A-B-C, and the Vishnu prepped cars perform best in Event D-E-F. Just thinking out loud!
. Why dont you send some of your equally modded cars to the event June 3rd. (one tuned by Shiv, on by Al or David) I will choose them to be on the team, you can swap drivers in the differently tuned cars,in ALL events, and we can see which one PERFORMS better! Click Team Import on page 1 to see the line-up so far. (under the red Viper)www.wingedwarrior.net
Just another idea, thats all.
You will see: The Buschur cars perform better in event A-B-C, and the Vishnu prepped cars perform best in Event D-E-F. Just thinking out loud!
Originally Posted by Links0000
, I see only bad coming from this. There would have to be a way to set it up in a fair manner where its rated for best drivability(not just high whp) and not just the opinion of one customer. l:
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
I simply can't believe Al is backpedaling so fast on this challenge. I know that won't be the case with DB. Great job Shiv: ballz of steel for sure.
I am merely suggesting that if we want to have a real "contest'
Let Shiv bring his Porsche and I will bring my evo and we can see who can spin the rollers with more power
Or Shiv can just show up at this year's DSM Shootout along with all the other real tuner shops and try and win the real "contest" of skill
Trying to have a "contest' on a 300 whp customer car to see - WHAT - just seems silly to me as there is no real way to judge which method is the best
All I can say is that the results which have been obtained recently on various tracks all over the USA with the Buschur Flash prove that it is the best bang fgor the buck and the most powerful real world tuning solution - I have 11.63 reasons why.
Originally Posted by racerhead2
The 'Group Tuning' is interesting. I've read many threads about 'friendly' dyno challenges that leads to nothing in the end between the 2 camps.
But if both tuners agree to meet up and have a dyno day with Smoked's car, it's what the owner prefer in the end that determines the 'winner' if you will. Not the highest horsepower etc.?
Or am I not reading it right?
But it would be great if both Shiv and Dave decide to meet up and have a friendly dyno tuning event.
Sort of like the UFC Team Shamrock and Team Ortiz deal
But if both tuners agree to meet up and have a dyno day with Smoked's car, it's what the owner prefer in the end that determines the 'winner' if you will. Not the highest horsepower etc.?
Or am I not reading it right?
But it would be great if both Shiv and Dave decide to meet up and have a friendly dyno tuning event.
Sort of like the UFC Team Shamrock and Team Ortiz deal
- Shiv can even bring his Porsche
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Let Shiv bring his Porsche and I will bring my evo and we can see who can spin the rollers with more power
Or Shiv can just show up at this year's DSM Shootout along with all the other real tuner shops and try and win the real "contest" of skill
Trying to have a "contest' on a 300 whp customer car to see - WHAT - just seems silly to me as there is no real way to judge which method is the best
Or Shiv can just show up at this year's DSM Shootout along with all the other real tuner shops and try and win the real "contest" of skill
Trying to have a "contest' on a 300 whp customer car to see - WHAT - just seems silly to me as there is no real way to judge which method is the best
What you suggest is simply a poor way of trying to compare two tuners abilities. You want to compare two DIFFERENT cars that are built for two DIFFERENT purposes.
From a scientific standpoint, using a 300WHP customer car is the PERFECT way to compare tuning methods/styles. It simply doesn't get any better than what is suggested. Same car, same day, same dyno, same fuel, you've eliminated every possible variable....
P.S. - Are you posting from the plane? That's pretty cool...
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
The idea is to let smokedmustang drive his car with both tunes and see what he has to say about them. The dyno charts are also useful but by no means the most important aspect of the comparison. I'd be supplying the very same tuning service that I do at all my dyno days. Just like the one that Smokedmustang is signed up for in GA in the near future. If Dave wants to do the same and offer his tuning services, what would be better than offering them both on the same day and at the same place and letting the customer do an A/B comparison? How often does that opportunity arise? I could only benefit the customer which is what this is all about. I think this would go a long way in demonstrating differences in how each tuner actually tunes as well as the differences in each tuning platform.
They say actions speak louder the words (which problably speak louder than internet typing) so I think this get-together would be a good thing. It would also be a fun opportunity to meet people as I don't go out to Ohio often.
-shiv
They say actions speak louder the words (which problably speak louder than internet typing) so I think this get-together would be a good thing. It would also be a fun opportunity to meet people as I don't go out to Ohio often.
-shiv
of course the customer experience and subjective impression is the best way to judge the quality of a tune
especially where - as in this case - the two options utlize divergant tuning methods - (Piggy Back vs. Flash)
The ultimate decision is up to Mr. Buschur
Myself, I would like to have a real contest and anyone who wants to race me can just come down to the DSM shootout this summer and you'll find as many nice ohio folk as you could imagine
Originally Posted by SuperHatch
Al, I AM NOT FLAMING YOU HERE, DO NOT GET DEFENSIVE.
What you suggest is simply a poor way of trying to compare two tuners abilities. You want to compare two DIFFERENT cars that are built for two DIFFERENT purposes.
From a scientific standpoint, using a 300WHP customer car is the PERFECT way to compare tuning methods/styles. It simply doesn't get any better than what is suggested. Same car, same day, same dyno, same fuel, you've eliminated every possible variable....
P.S. - Are you posting from the plane? That's pretty cool...
What you suggest is simply a poor way of trying to compare two tuners abilities. You want to compare two DIFFERENT cars that are built for two DIFFERENT purposes.
From a scientific standpoint, using a 300WHP customer car is the PERFECT way to compare tuning methods/styles. It simply doesn't get any better than what is suggested. Same car, same day, same dyno, same fuel, you've eliminated every possible variable....
P.S. - Are you posting from the plane? That's pretty cool...
Each tuner gets 3 runs down the track - who ever can get the highest MPH wins ?
Or how about - 7 CUSTOMERS all in the last month going between 11.63 and 12.2 with the Buschur Flash at Drag Tracks all over the USA and running every day with no problems and many big smiles
or how about - RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG - show up - put up or shut up - DSM Shootout - end of argument
