I agree with Turbodawg. DC downpipe eliminates the cat, clears ACD, requires no spacers and swallow cokes can's for under $250 shipped. Freakin deal if you ask me! I have the DC turbo manifold as well which is pretty sexy!

Also, I want to say there is no need criticizing someones parts or the price.

Works makes some damned good stuff. Buschur's stuff is dyno-tested and proven to perform as well. If one cannot afford it, then one must just find what they can afford. If one doesnt like the buschur stuff, buy something else then. There are so many options! Lets all act grown up!!!

 

 

Yeh I remember hearing you and Kasey yelling out "418 Represent" at the dyno

 

like i said before, in my opinion, i'd look at it as corrective criticism. dave at buschur has taken care of me 100%. now, i have a friend, who i referred to buschur, and he's has alot of heartache with their parts. BUT, one thing i will say is nick at buschur has been taking care of my friend 100%. i think nick is a great guy and thats why he's there answering the phones because he knows how to talk RESPECTFULLY to customers, unlike some OTHER vendors here on this forum.

the whole reason this got posted is because someone thought of the "beer can test" where other exhausts got bashed for not being 3" and buschur was said to be the "best 3" tbe" and in this case it seems that buschur's d/p has room for improvement.

personally, i love the sound of my megan tbe over my friends buschur tbe anyday and he loves the sound of mine too. the "quality" is prolly better on the buschur, for the most part, but performance wise my car is setup the same as the b/r stage 3 package and i ran the exact same time as their s3 times posted on their website but with different brand name parts. i bought the parts that, at the time, fit my budget but was "almost" exactly setup like the b/r s3 package because i didnt have the money to purchase their parts and of course, whose goin to sponsor me?

 

Im sure the buschur dp is still a nice piece but i find it kind of funny since i was doing a search on megan exhaust and al from dynoflash was bashing the megan for not being full 3 inch, then when proven wrong he said whateve the case is any good exahust should be able to fit a beer can in. Too lazy right now to find the quote.

 

Funny you guys keep saying that but yet no one has shown it to be a restriction. So you think the 2.5inch 02 housings are not enough?

What are you talking about the tip? I was referring to what someone else said about bottlenecks in the exhaust. a 2.5 that EXPANDS to 3.0 is NOT a restriction anything near what 3" DECREASING to a 2.75 lets say.

Also, yes the 02 CAN be a restriction if its not big enough, however the Ebay 02s coupled DP's other than Works make the good power.

Instead of coming on here and saying pointless sh*t and telling me Im wrong, show me some damn numbers already proving your point. Im waiting to see something to show me a 2.5inch 02 is too small for the EVO's stock turbo. Im ready when you are. A 2.5 is FINE for the EVO stock turbo.

BTW, I dont see anyone fast running the Works DP/02....

 

Sorry I wasnt aware that we were limiting ourselves to the stock turbo, on a stock 16g, you are correct it doesn't provide that much if any of a restriction, however when you start getting into modified stock turbos and aftermarket turbos, a 2.5 inch dp wont cut it.


Scorke

 

2.5inch DOWNPIPE? No one has 2.5inch downpipes... 2.5inlet which matches the 02 housing then is 3inch...

If a 2.5inch 02 housing is OK and its 2.5 for the inlet of the downpipe (that matches the 02 completely) then immediately opens to 3" after the 02, where is the restriction? If youre saying the downpipe, well thats the same as the 02.. which makes that too small too.... but I dont know if thats what youre saying.

What Im saying is a 2.5inch 02 housing is more than enough and obviously a 3" downpipe is necessary (which the BR is). The flange merely fits the outlet of Ebay 02.. perfectly!

My Helix:


The donut gasket fits right on the Ebat 02 and flows smoothly right into the DP which opens immedately to 3".

 

ok look. you are rong. go get a straw say it is 3 inch. close one end on it and blow into it. what happens you get back pressure. now do the same thing but to the other end what do you get. hum the same resolts. just one happens sooner then the other BUT IT STILL HAPPENS. now maby we are on 2 pages here. but going from 2.5 to 3 inch there is a point befor the 3 inch where is is increased back pressure. then when it gets into the 3 inch it is free going cause it is the same amount of air filling a biger area. now do it the other way. full 3 inch to a 2.5 free flowing till you get the the 2.5 witch builds back pressure. al showed 3 inch mufflers and what wasent good. well here works wins b/r has a part that sucks as what all said about other systems.

 

Woah, step back and start working on that spelling and grammar, that was a chore to get through.

Obviously taking a straw and crimping the END will create backpressure, no one denys that. Not me, not you.

Now listen carefully because I dont think you comprehend what Im saying. Take that same straw (however big where your blowing into it) and expand the ending (instead of crimping it like in the first example). Whats going on there... well unless where your blowing into the straw is too small... no restriction exists.

If the 02 housing (2.5) IS A RESTRICTION (not proven to be) then yes, it will create backpressure and what youre saying makes sense. However, the Ebay 02 (2.5) has shown not to be a restriction anywhere Ive seen, especially with stock/20G sized turbos.

Also, I havent been in physics class in 6-7 years however I believe the exhaust expands as it gets colder which is further down in the system.

I see what youre saying in your example, Im not ignoring you, Im just pointing out that the Ebay 02 housings are clearly not restrictions (they are 2.5). It obviously fits inside the flange on the BR-DP which then expands to 3", just as my Helix does.

 

maby you think im saying the ebay o2 is a restriction. im not. what im saying is you will see more power then what ebay o2 can give with full true 3 inch then what is shown here. what is shown here is beter then stock. you make power. but you will make more if it is true 3. r we on the same page now. and my spelling is fine. i can read it with no problem i could care less what others think. lol.

 

Ok I get what youre saying now but I will still disagree that I will gain power by going to a full 3" 02 setup. Its been tested...not on an EVO, but a DSM

 

wheres al or buschur

 

i guess that's why people say i got a fruit launcher in the back.

between buschur and works... br is not gonna win the craftsmanship or quality contest.

this isn't exactly true... the eby ones are 70mm at the opening exit. the stocker i believe is 60mm.

my references for these measurements are the thread that eventually leads to a link to the tanabe o2 housing. the tanabe piece is 65mm compared to the stock

the 70mm ebay housing measurement is from ttpengineering.

http://www.tomei-p.co.jp/_2003web-ca...component.html

 

Last time I checked BR products were pretty top-notch in terms of quality and craftsmanship. I used all his parts on my DSM and they fit perfectly and performed even better. They were priced right in the middle of the pack but offered by far the best value. Works would defintely be victorious in the "overpriced as hell" contest.