I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. I've seen many Evo parts up close and I'd have to rank Buschur near the bottom, if not dead last in tangible/aesthetic quality. The stuff works, but that's about all that can be said about it. Works parts are definitely overpriced but they are MUCH higher quality than BR.

 

Probably won't hear from them. I am sure that they don't want to get in the middle of a flame war after they just got back from "time out."

 

you must not remember how many spacers they sent out wiht their downpipes in teh beginning... and you must not have read the part where this dp hit the tie bars for this comparison....

this is incorrect to assume. all dps with a flat flange SHOULD be 3" exactly, there is no excuse for them not to be... particularly if they're expecting your to seal with silicone. one very good example is the ttp engineering dp... it is flat flanged and 3" all the way through.

i'll agree anything that uses the stock donut is not 3" but that's the point, let's be clever and get rid of it in a clever way... why had that no happened?

or he could spend less than a day finding out that something very cheap works way better and start buying those like he did for the ebay o2s..... what is your point? anyone that thinks buschur doesn't charge a premium for his services is SERIOUSLY in the dark. how much does he charge you for a coated ebay unit?

rnr no longer does this, they were about a couple years faster than buschur pickin' up on the ebay o2.

btw... why would buschur's ebay o2 make power and the works not? is it cuz of the works stamp? it's gotta be cuz of the stamp huh? cuz it doesn't say buschur rebadged ebay on it huh? you just pwned yerself.

 

thank you for doing the test! this helps everyone out a lot.

i bet you could get the coke can to slide all the way through the greddy ti. i have one too... no shame, best exhaust out there for any price, just so happens that it's cheap too.

 

actually the ebay couple WITH works (and their nifty adapter) would work well too, and you wouldn't have any dp clanging against tie bars... hmph...

also... a rapid expansion in any fluid flow system IS a restriction. it's called minor head flow loss and it introduces a head loss factor that is proportional to velocity... oooh, didn't know that didja?

 

Yeah thanks again for doing this test...although its only a matter of time before "they" (fanboys)come into this thread. Its good to see someone other than the vendors doing reviews and comparisons on their own products.

 

Ok you got me on the downpipe, it needed spacers. Because of that, the downpipe is complete garbage. I guess that means his catback, intercoolers, IC piping, turbo kits and port workare all low quality crap too...

The only BR product I own is the Deluxe Intercooler and Upper IC pipe. Welds are perfect, piping is SS and mirror polished and it fit like a glove. I dont have experience with his downpipe though.


Who said anything about not knowing about charging a premuim? I didnt? Buschur tested the Ebay, saw it made power and sells them... why? Beause they work... I dont get what your statement above is aiming at?



Again, please quote me where I said Ebay 02 would make more than Works 02. Oh thats right, you cant because I didnt say that ANYWHERE I said the Works wouldnt make any additional power. READ MY POST. I get the feeling your responding to someone else for a second because your replies are in response to things I didnt even say.

Actually you just owned yourself on that one. I bought my own 02 housing off Ebay and sent it out to get coated. I also did this for 10 others and sold them here on the classifieds for $160 (underselling Buschur).

Heres the bottom line. Show me where Works 02/DP combo makes more power than Ebay/other DP combo, even my Helix DP. Im patiently waiting. When I say show me dont give me BS engineering terms regarding flow and this should do this and this should... etc. I like to see hard evidence before I pay $800 for a DP/02 combo.


No, I dont need to know that. Cut the rhetoric already and stop trying to impress people with your engineering terms. "minor head flow loss" . Seriously, no one on this thread has shown a damn lick of proof of this 3" 02 or DP making ANY ADDITIONAL POWER including yourself. Ive only gotten tons speculation and non-sense thus far.

SHOW ME THE 3"02 combo makes more power. Thats all Im asking. I dont want theoretical chit-chat about it.

BTW, heres a quote from Forced Performance:

"540whp at 27psi has been recorded with the 2.5” housing"

"No compromise in power was measured with the 2.5” unit over the 3”

So I guess our magical stock turbo TD05H wheel needs that 3" but those GT30 Garrets pushing 2x the power and more boost are ok with 2.5. Im pretty sure Robert at FP is an engineer, correct me if Im wrong.

I guess we should PM "Most-Wanted" and tell him to sell his BR TBE and get the Works. That restriction in the DP must be killing his times

 

I could be wrong, but hasn't this been covered before...the whole which is better 2.5" or 3" for making power.

 

Then you've never seen both BR or WORKS exhaust, because the WORKS exhaust kills the BR in craftsmenship and quality. THe great thing about the BR is that it is a great exhaust and the price is execelent.

 

I always considered craftsmanship the quality of design,fitment, and performance aspect. As far as I know Buschur's exhaust is just that... inexpensive, good fitment, and makes great power. (Definitely looks like crap though! lol) However I guess that can differ from person to person.

I realized I sound like Im bashing Works but Im not trying to. They make great stuff but I think a lot of it is very overpriced and some of the things they sell is kinda sketch. For the record, I hate buschur's exhaust. I think its by far the ugliest exhaust available for the EVO (next to Tanabe) and I would never buy it.

 

i dont know if im thread jacking but im put a couple of clicks away from buying a helix catback but i would love a greddy ti but i hear that as long as 3' it will suffice as 3' would let air exit the best. Im a evo aspiring to be 35r'd powerd and i dont know if saving the pounds a greddy ti would matter if im pushing power that the 35r offers

 

Both are complete 3" exhausts that look and sound great. Helix has no resonators or neck-downs and straight thru muffler. Greddy also has no resonators, straight thru muffler but does have a neckdown but it only goes down to 3" from 3.15 or something like that.

Its going to come down to is the 12-14lbs weight saving worth $400+. Some say yes... some say no!

BTW I have the newest Helix exhaust on my car, fits great and sounds incredible! However, Ive always wanted that Greddy Ti, I just dont have that kinda cash damn it!

 

thats my category lol that makes 2 of us eh? where did you get your helix and for how much if you dont mind me asking?

 

I originally bought it a year ago from Gruppe-S. I got it, it fit like crap and they warrantied me for a new exhaust. It took them a year to replace it (just got new one last week), however, it fits, looks, and sound incredible and the only exhaust Id trade it for would be a titanium!

 

is the helix still really loud? im regretting selling my greddy ti