EVO IX Cosworth Cams - The 1st Round of Results are Here!!!
Originally Posted by Kc2Buk
Anyway, back on topic to waiting...
Originally Posted by Kc2Buk
Here are the graphs...
People on this board are something else... 
Here is the dyno graph and a Variance Graph as an added bonus.
For those of you that didn't complain, thanks for your patience.
Sincerely,
Oliver Simons
WORKS
415-641-9675
osimons@worksmitsu.com
Here is the dyno graph and a Variance Graph as an added bonus.
For those of you that didn't complain, thanks for your patience.
Sincerely,
Oliver Simons
WORKS
415-641-9675
osimons@worksmitsu.com
Just in case,
This EVO IX had our complete TR-340 package installed. More information can be found here: WORKS TR-340
Thanks for looking,
Sincerely,
Oliver Simons
WORKS
415-641-9675
osimons@worksmitsu.com
This EVO IX had our complete TR-340 package installed. More information can be found here: WORKS TR-340
Thanks for looking,
Sincerely,
Oliver Simons
WORKS
415-641-9675
osimons@worksmitsu.com
Wow, nice gains.
A lot of people on these boards have no patience and seem very trigger happy when it comes to bashing. I'm pretty sure the age demographic of the complainers and whiners is overall pretty young.
A lot of people on these boards have no patience and seem very trigger happy when it comes to bashing. I'm pretty sure the age demographic of the complainers and whiners is overall pretty young.
So the max whp was only 313 with the cams? Are these gains including all the mods+ the cams? If so, then those are some low #s when IXs with stock cams and bolt ons are making the same power if not more imo but i can be wrong
Last edited by EVIL_EVO_VIII; Oct 31, 2006 at 01:49 PM.
God, Some of you guys are such sheep.
The way I'm seeing this, is that on that particular car you had a gain of 31 hp & 23 ft-tq with the installation of your cams. BUT the problem here in lies that this car has already had mods done to it. What we all want to see is your cams in an OEM Car with a base dyno run and than a "tuned" Dyno run and then a Works Cam Dyno run.
IMHO your graphs are pretty useless because how am I to know they are in fact true numbers??? Sorry if I **** anybody off but I wouldn't purchase these parts based on those graphs alone...Hard proof still needs to be provided using a car that has at most an exhaust, LICP, flash,a drop in or maybe a cone intake.
The way I'm seeing this, is that on that particular car you had a gain of 31 hp & 23 ft-tq with the installation of your cams. BUT the problem here in lies that this car has already had mods done to it. What we all want to see is your cams in an OEM Car with a base dyno run and than a "tuned" Dyno run and then a Works Cam Dyno run.
IMHO your graphs are pretty useless because how am I to know they are in fact true numbers??? Sorry if I **** anybody off but I wouldn't purchase these parts based on those graphs alone...Hard proof still needs to be provided using a car that has at most an exhaust, LICP, flash,a drop in or maybe a cone intake.
Originally Posted by Faust
God, Some of you guys are such sheep.
The way I'm seeing this, is that on that particular car you had a gain of 31 hp & 23 ft-tq with the installation of your cams. BUT the problem here in lies that this car has already had mods done to it. What we all want to see is your cams in an OEM Car with a base dyno run and than a "tuned" Dyno run and then a Works Cam Dyno run.
IMHO your graphs are pretty useless because how am I to know they are in fact true numbers??? Sorry if I **** anybody off but I wouldn't purchase these parts based on those graphs alone...Hard proof still needs to be provided using a car that has at most an exhaust, LICP, flash,a drop in or maybe a cone intake.
The way I'm seeing this, is that on that particular car you had a gain of 31 hp & 23 ft-tq with the installation of your cams. BUT the problem here in lies that this car has already had mods done to it. What we all want to see is your cams in an OEM Car with a base dyno run and than a "tuned" Dyno run and then a Works Cam Dyno run.
IMHO your graphs are pretty useless because how am I to know they are in fact true numbers??? Sorry if I **** anybody off but I wouldn't purchase these parts based on those graphs alone...Hard proof still needs to be provided using a car that has at most an exhaust, LICP, flash,a drop in or maybe a cone intake.
I doubt most people that are in the aftermarket cam market are bone stock. Most will be the stage 1 people... Which, loosely translated, is what works tr340 package is I believe.
Anyways, thanks for finally posting results! I look forward to more to see if we can figure out an average % gain, as well as where the power is at throughout the powerband. Also if boost is altered any and/or if an upgraded fmic would differ any. (I'm needy).
Trap speeds seem to tell the Truth. If an Evo IX were somehow to trap at 119MPH on 93 octane that would be proof right there. An average modded Evo IX (Turbo back, LICP, MBC, PROPER tune) can hit 340-350WHP and the the same for torque. Traps would be 114-115MPH. So a GAIN of 11%, lets do some fancy math...
345WHP with an 11% gain would equal 382WHP which would add about 3-4MPH to a trap speed. If this can be done on pump gas with a low to mid 11 A/F ratio then we see a solid gain. If we see only 115MPH traps then it is not worth it. It isn't vauge, run the car.
345WHP with an 11% gain would equal 382WHP which would add about 3-4MPH to a trap speed. If this can be done on pump gas with a low to mid 11 A/F ratio then we see a solid gain. If we see only 115MPH traps then it is not worth it. It isn't vauge, run the car.
Ok Everyone,
This particular car was a TR-340 package with a properly tuned P2R flash. It is irrelevant what the car made as a baseline, as the only relevant point is the gains with the cams. This is one car, and other results will most likely vary from these numbers. We will never test a stock car with Cosworth Cams installed, as it just doesn't make sense. The type of Dyno is irrelevant as well, since we are showing before and after results with the cams installed. It really doesn't matter what the baseline numbers were, since you should only be concerned about the gains. The cams were tuned on the P2R.
We will happily answer any questions that you guys have if you give us a call. If the results aren't to your liking, then you probably will not be purchasing the cams. In my opinion, the gains are extremely positive, providing a dollar per horsepower of roughly $54 installed. There are many mods that provide a higher dollar per horsepower range, such as Intercooler Piping and many turbo upgrades. Again, this was tuned for longevity along with 91 octane. Our customers are happy, we are happy, and the last thing we wanted to create (for posting these results) was a ridiculous thread on Dyno's or baseline numbers.
Sincerely,
Oliver Simons
WORKS
415-641-9675
osimons@worksmitsu.com
This particular car was a TR-340 package with a properly tuned P2R flash. It is irrelevant what the car made as a baseline, as the only relevant point is the gains with the cams. This is one car, and other results will most likely vary from these numbers. We will never test a stock car with Cosworth Cams installed, as it just doesn't make sense. The type of Dyno is irrelevant as well, since we are showing before and after results with the cams installed. It really doesn't matter what the baseline numbers were, since you should only be concerned about the gains. The cams were tuned on the P2R.
We will happily answer any questions that you guys have if you give us a call. If the results aren't to your liking, then you probably will not be purchasing the cams. In my opinion, the gains are extremely positive, providing a dollar per horsepower of roughly $54 installed. There are many mods that provide a higher dollar per horsepower range, such as Intercooler Piping and many turbo upgrades. Again, this was tuned for longevity along with 91 octane. Our customers are happy, we are happy, and the last thing we wanted to create (for posting these results) was a ridiculous thread on Dyno's or baseline numbers.
Sincerely,
Oliver Simons
WORKS
415-641-9675
osimons@worksmitsu.com
Originally Posted by EVIL_EVO_VIII
So the max whp was only 313 with the cams? Are these gains including all the mods+ the cams? If so, then those are some low #s when IXs with stock cams and bolt ons are making the same power if not more imo but i can be wrong
From the "other" thread:
This thread isn't about the peak numbers produced, it's about the variation in numbers (specifically, percentages) before and after. That's what dynos are used for. This particular dyno has given us good, repeatable data and generates similar trends to what we encounter on the street/track (which indicates good calibration). Unfortunately, we weren't able to do everything on the same day, but a few days apart under similar conditions (same time of day and general weather).
Just to reiterate, the test car was an EVO IX with 91 octane and the following mods for the "baseline" run:
WORKS Brain Flash P2
WORKS High-Flow Drop-in Filter
WORKS Aperture
WORKS Exhale 76mm Thermal Coated Downpipe
WORKS WRP Exhale High Flow Cat
WORKS Exhale 76mm Resonated Intermediate Pipe
WORKS Exhale Axle Back Muffler
Considering most modification paths follow a filter/intake, turbo-back and some sort of tune before cams, this was the perfect candidate.
The "after" run also included the addition of the Cosworth MIVEC cams and the WORKS V-springs/Ti-retainers with the Brain Flash software adjusted accordingly.
This isn't a pissing match and could care less if someone else makes higher peak numbers with "only" blah, blah, blah... Congratulations for having a larger number on a piece of paper! This is the first of many samples that will be needed in order to form a solid basis about what sort of gains are to be expected out of the addition of the cams alone. Although it's still early to draw final conclusions, we are more than pleased with the results thus far. Our customers are reiterating the same
Other key points include the fact that idle is nearly stock (even closer to stock than... gulp... our 269 cams) and driveability is fully maintained, which is part of what the WORKS philosophy is all about.
This thread isn't about the peak numbers produced, it's about the variation in numbers (specifically, percentages) before and after. That's what dynos are used for. This particular dyno has given us good, repeatable data and generates similar trends to what we encounter on the street/track (which indicates good calibration). Unfortunately, we weren't able to do everything on the same day, but a few days apart under similar conditions (same time of day and general weather).
Just to reiterate, the test car was an EVO IX with 91 octane and the following mods for the "baseline" run:
WORKS Brain Flash P2
WORKS High-Flow Drop-in Filter
WORKS Aperture
WORKS Exhale 76mm Thermal Coated Downpipe
WORKS WRP Exhale High Flow Cat
WORKS Exhale 76mm Resonated Intermediate Pipe
WORKS Exhale Axle Back Muffler
Considering most modification paths follow a filter/intake, turbo-back and some sort of tune before cams, this was the perfect candidate.
The "after" run also included the addition of the Cosworth MIVEC cams and the WORKS V-springs/Ti-retainers with the Brain Flash software adjusted accordingly.
This isn't a pissing match and could care less if someone else makes higher peak numbers with "only" blah, blah, blah... Congratulations for having a larger number on a piece of paper! This is the first of many samples that will be needed in order to form a solid basis about what sort of gains are to be expected out of the addition of the cams alone. Although it's still early to draw final conclusions, we are more than pleased with the results thus far. Our customers are reiterating the same
Other key points include the fact that idle is nearly stock (even closer to stock than... gulp... our 269 cams) and driveability is fully maintained, which is part of what the WORKS philosophy is all about.