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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 09:59 AM
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I don't forsee nitromethane ever becoming a popular mod because tuning is very hard because it can make the car very very lean with too much nitromethane in the mix, it certainly has great benefits, I will have dynographs of it shortly...
But if you use it in an injection system, then running lean isn't much of a problem, since you have separate control of the fueling and the injection. I wouldn't be surprised if meth/nitromethane is used more in the future or a completely nitromethane injection. The stoich burn is like 1.7:1 or something close to that, so you would barely even have to remove any fuel anyway to inject nitromethane. You would just benefit from the extra oxygen that the fuel is giving you, like nitrous does.

Basically, nitromethane is just gas and nitrous combined together. If Scott or Curt have tried 'alternative fuels', then I'm guessing it was alongs the lines of nitromethane injection.


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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:15 AM
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Its not as much of an issue when run separate but a major failsafe will be needed because if the pump failed for whatever reasons the consquences would be horrid, I am all for nitromethane injection and I hope someone develops a safe system, hell I would be the first to buy it but from what I have experienced so far, the gains are great but we are a aways from it as our motors are not designed to withstand high concentrations of it at this point either...hopefully in the future we will see some nitromethane kits out...
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 12:49 PM
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It's probably a mixed system with NitroMethane, Nirtous, Methanol, and E85 all mixed together. Am I close?
Congrats Man!
I don't care what you do to make it that fast on stock turbo. As long as you can do it safely I'll buy it.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 12:50 PM
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I have run nitromethane, meth, dH2O and nitrous all at once on my stock block and its a hell of a combo...more should try it, maybe after I post some dyno graphs people will see...
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
What alternative fuel was Curt supposedely using? I tuned the car each time it set a record, the 10.5 on stock turbo, the 10.5 on the LT, the 9.3 on the 35r and the 9.3 on the 37r, all tuned by me. I'd like to know what fuel I was tuning as far as I know he had C16 in it. No alky and certainly no nitrous.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
What alternative fuel was Curt supposedely using? I tuned the car each time it set a record, the 10.5 on stock turbo, the 10.5 on the LT, the 9.3 on the 35r and the 9.3 on the 37r, all tuned by me. I'd like to know what fuel I was tuning as far as I know he had C16 in it. No alky and certainly no nitrous.
Was it his fuel or yours? You can mix the stuff right in your fuel as well. No additional injection needed.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:44 PM
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you wouldn't want to mix higher percentages into your factory fuel system though...
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:55 PM
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Nitromethane doesnt mix with gasoline. It seperates and will remain seperate. You can however use Nitropropane or propolene oxide with gas based fuels. Nitro requires alcohol to mix.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:02 PM
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Nitromethane in gas tank will eventually become n-bunanitromethane or even methylvitonamine (JK, I'm so damn funny) as your new black fuel exits the injector. Well, I exaggerated but rubber is soluble, not to mention fuel injector parts, in nitromethane. And furthermore as John upstairs said, nitromethane is too polar to be miscible in nonpolar fuel type solvents (gaasss)

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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultimate CC
I have run nitromethane, meth, dH2O and nitrous all at once on my stock block and its a hell of a combo...more should try it, maybe after I post some dyno graphs people will see...

i wouldn't give away a good reciepe for a bomb lol
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
Nitromethane doesnt mix with gasoline. It seperates and will remain seperate. You can however use Nitropropane or propolene oxide with gas based fuels. Nitro requires alcohol to mix.
Nitromethane indeed mixes with gas. It just needs a mixer like methanol to keep it suspended. And as little as 1% is good for .1-.3 and 5mph. pricechemical.com
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:16 PM
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By far the most superior antidetonant, and would provide both positive effects of methanol and nitromethane at same time, would be 50%monomethylamine in methanol and water
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 94AWDcoupe
Nitromethane indeed mixes with gas. It just needs a mixer like methanol to keep it suspended. And as little as 1% is good for .1-.3 and 5mph. pricechemical.com
Correct, but I was interpreting the first comment as just Nitro and gas. Even when mixing methanol into the equation its still problematic at best:

http://www.kennedysdynotune.com/Nitr...ech%20Tips.htm

Something about Nitropropane (in case you thought it was a joke):

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/n...dder_additive/
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 05:34 PM
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Ultimate CC, I take it that you have used the Nitro-Booster from Snow Performance: http://www.snowperformance.net/prodd...p?prod=Auto120
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 05:40 PM
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you got if you interested in some let me know, or if you have questions, I will have a dyno graph of before and after shortly...
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