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Old Dec 20, 2006 | 06:27 PM
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not to be to judgemental, but you don't know what you think you know. Nitrous adds torque, moreso than hp. Torque breaks things. When do you plan on activitating the NOS? Is it boost dependent, rpm dependent, what????? The lower the rpm the NOS is activated, the larger portion of power that is coming directly from the NOS vs. stock fuel system and turbo. How do you plan on retarding timing when the NOS hits at lower rpm? After reading three pages of your jibberish, and not to be to judgemental, but it's obvious you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
It's called Nitrous ! NOS is a manufacturer of nitrous products .
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Old Dec 20, 2006 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dubbleugly01
not to be to judgemental, but you don't know what you think you know. Nitrous adds torque, moreso than hp. Torque breaks things. When do you plan on activitating the NOS? Is it boost dependent, rpm dependent, what????? The lower the rpm the NOS is activated, the larger portion of power that is coming directly from the NOS vs. stock fuel system and turbo. How do you plan on retarding timing when the NOS hits at lower rpm? After reading three pages of your jibberish, and not to be to judgemental, but it's obvious you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
I know enough to get myself by as having owned three past cars with nitrous and not having one car fail on me. I came on here asking for advice, not for you to tell me I'm and idiot. I'd appreciate if you would keep your neg. opinions about me to your self.

I plan on having it hooked up to a happy button. And manualy injecting it above three thousand RPM"s. Using it after i shift into second gear. And it is a bad idea to inject nitrous at low rpms anyways. So why the hell would i do that? I know enough to set the kit up and make it work. I, however, have never ran it on an evo. Thus why i was here asking for advice on how to set it up. Not all of us can be as educated as you on the this subject.
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Old Dec 20, 2006 | 06:46 PM
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Making a map removing 4* timing across the board is a stupid idea and not necessary. Especially without knowing how the car is currently mapped.
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Old Dec 20, 2006 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by s10v8
I know enough to get myself by as having owned three past cars with nitrous and not having one car fail on me. I came on here asking for advice, not for you to tell me I'm and idiot. I'd appreciate if you would keep your neg. opinions about me to your self.

I plan on having it hooked up to a happy button. And manualy injecting it above three thousand RPM"s. Using it after i shift into second gear. And it is a bad idea to inject nitrous at low rpms anyways. So why the hell would i do that? I know enough to set the kit up and make it work. I, however, have never ran it on an evo. Thus why i was here asking for advice on how to set it up. Not all of us can be as educated as you on the this subject.
don't get butt hurt, I never called you an idiot, just said you don't know what you think you know. And how will you control fuel enrichment? How will you control timing? You do realize that the NOS (yup, tradename but quicker than typing nitrous) will account for twice as much of the power at 3000 rpm vs. 6000 rpm right? Neglecting VE changes of course. But a 75 shot sprayed into the intake filter with no form of fuel control besides the stock MAF compensation (which is a retarded concept by the way) and no form of timing control to account for the oxygen rich environment in your cylinders that will lead to detonation at 3000 rpm's while pushing your "happy button" which is equivalent to running 89 octane fuel on stock timing and hoping for the best.

But let's get one thing straight, I NEVER called you an idiot . My negative feeback might just save you a motor and a $5000 bill. But I won't ask for a penny of that.
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Old Dec 20, 2006 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dubbleugly01
don't get butt hurt, I never called you an idiot, just said you don't know what you think you know. And how will you control fuel enrichment? How will you control timing? You do realize that the NOS (yup, tradename but quicker than typing nitrous) will account for twice as much of the power at 3000 rpm vs. 6000 rpm right? Neglecting VE changes of course. But a 75 shot sprayed into the intake filter with no form of fuel control besides the stock MAF compensation (which is a retarded concept by the way) and no form of timing control to account for the oxygen rich environment in your cylinders that will lead to detonation at 3000 rpm's while pushing your "happy button" which is equivalent to running 89 octane fuel on stock timing and hoping for the best.

But let's get one thing straight, I NEVER called you an idiot . My negative feeback might just save you a motor and a $5000 bill. But I won't ask for a penny of that.
The idea of spraying it through the maf was on a dry shot. I am currently setting up a wet shot based on a members good results. Shooting through the maf on a dry shot has been done by a member here. And it proved its self sucessful. the maf corrects the inlet charge and enrichens it.

I would never think a wet kit could be injected into the filter and expet it to work. I am not that dumb. Like i said, THE ORIGIONAL IDEA WAS TO SPRAY A DRY SHOT INTO THE AIR BOX AND LET THE MAF DO THE TUNNING.

Sorry for the sand-in-vagina effect in my first reply to you.
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Old Dec 20, 2006 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mivecless
Making a map removing 4* timing across the board is a stupid idea and not necessary. Especially without knowing how the car is currently mapped.
and you would know this because your a tuner??? how many evos have you tuned for nitrous??? the 4 degrees for a 75 shot is a pretty good base...
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Old Dec 20, 2006 | 09:40 PM
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Conventional wisdom is retard timing 2* for every 50 hp jetted. I'd say 4* is a nice safe place to start and with something like EvoScan do some logging and check for knock counts. I've read this whole thread and the amount of misinformation is comical.

Did you just tap your UICP for the nozzle Ultimate CC? I would think with the walbro 255, good tune, good clutch and even just on 93 you could have some great and reliabley safe results especially if you throw a window switch into the mix, which on manual to me is a 99% must. I would think a 50 shot must really wake those cars up. I know what just a little 100shot on my stang does.
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Old Dec 20, 2006 | 09:43 PM
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yea i tapped the uicp about 10 inches from tb...
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultimate CC
and you would know this because your a tuner??? how many evos have you tuned for nitrous??? the 4 degrees for a 75 shot is a pretty good base...
Yes. A few on n20. 4* across the board is a pretty good base for what? The inexperienced ecu flasher?

Randomly pulling 4* from an unknown timing map to start with?

I think you need some Pepto for the diarhea of the mouth.
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mivecless
Yes. A few on n20. 4* across the board is a pretty good base for what? The inexperienced ecu flasher?

Randomly pulling 4* from an unknown timing map to start with?

I think you need some Pepto for the diarhea of the mouth.
Correct me if im wrong. But arent all the stock MAP's from the factory the same?
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mivecless
Yes. A few on n20. 4* across the board is a pretty good base for what? The inexperienced ecu flasher?

Randomly pulling 4* from an unknown timing map to start with?

I think you need some Pepto for the diarhea of the mouth.
I think I would care if you actually tuned nitrous run evos but you don't so Ill leave it at that...of course you need to have a good understanding of what you are doing before you tune a car, but its not my problem is you go blindly into your ecu and pull timing...
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mivecless
Yes. A few on n20. 4* across the board is a pretty good base for what? The inexperienced ecu flasher?

Randomly pulling 4* from an unknown timing map to start with?

I think you need some Pepto for the diarhea of the mouth.
Who said anything about pulling 4* randomly? You would only want to pull it while spraying which would be under WOT...correct??
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