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Dec 23, 2006 | 06:37 PM

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From: 2003 Evo VIII - Silver

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Yup - I'd look forward to seeing them with the FP Green Turbo

Al - I'm assuming you are/were neck deep in drag racing; how long have you been a fan of Cosworth

If you notice what they did for the ESX Drag WRX in the past season then you would know that they are into the drag scene also !

I am going to put a set of their cams and heads in my STI as soon as I can afford it

Dec 23, 2006 | 06:39 PM

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I can tell you this

I purchased a Cosworth Evo 8 head for my Race Evo and it is one of the most amazing things I have ever seen. Every week or so, I go down to my basement and look it over. I don't know if I will ever use it but its a real great work of art and make a great paper weight.

Every week!! If I had a cossie head sitting around it would be taking my girlfriends spot next to me as I sleep.

Dec 23, 2006 | 06:42 PM

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Every week!! If I had a cossie head sitting around it would be taking my girlfriends spot next to me as I sleep.

Well - nothing takes the place of my wife - but - I do appreciate a well crafted automotive part

When master crasftmen meet world class equipment and top engineers the outcome is impressive

Dec 23, 2006 | 06:42 PM

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Touche'

Dec 23, 2006 | 06:44 PM

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cosworth makes amazing products. they had some really great stuff out at the sema show.

Dec 23, 2006 | 06:44 PM

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Personally i am not putting anything else on my engine except cosworth parts...

I know Cosworth inside-out... In Greece and the UK that i lived for 4 years, i literally grew up with the Ford Sierra and Escort Cosworths... Insane machines... Until know they are HIGHLY competitive on the streets and tracks...and remember we are talking engines made back in 1986-87...

Good test Al... keep on testing...

Dec 23, 2006 | 07:35 PM

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AL, i have 12 sets of evo 9 cosworth cams in stock and they are 1 day shipping away from you. just let me know!!!

I also have a set of evo 8 272's from cosworth so if your interested in either just shoot me a PM.

-STEVE

Dec 23, 2006 | 07:51 PM

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soo how much did it make?

are these better then gsc?

Dec 23, 2006 | 07:55 PM

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Whats the labor charge on the cam install Al? And i'm assuming that it was installed at The Shop. Thanks.

Dec 23, 2006 | 08:42 PM

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Reputation of a company is a rough guide but there is so much more to look into. More important is actual quantification or at least qualification of component properties. Outside of the factors that decide cam structural integrity - design, material, forming process, heat treat, depth of heat treat - factors that determine power, are much simpler to quantify and copy. These factors are base circle size and lobe design and phasing. If you scanned a few of the top cams including Cosworth, and if there were really a huge performance difference resulting from Cosworth's lobe design, what was causing it would be made apparent. I really doubt that there is anything great about a cosworth cam, vs other top cams. If there is, it is going to be copied very quickly and sold for much less. Even a high quality one off direct copy can be had for less than Cosworth sells their cams at. It's just the way the business works. Anything that can be seen to be an advantage and that isn't patented is going to be copied. Technology just makes it so easy.

Somewhat related is that people everywhere seem to want to assess component manufacturers by who started the company, who their father was, what type of racing they used to do, what their reputation is, etc. instead of looking hard at the actual component they're about to buy and company they're about to deal with NOW. Companies change management all the time, get bought out, have owners or directors change philosophies, have different divisions that take care of different customers (race vs enthusiast) in different ways, have different levels of quality in components. You have big name piston manufacturers making shelf pistons too flimsy vs their renowned custom race pistons, top level data acquisition and ECU companies that bend over backwards for some top race teams that they're sponsoring to get their name out there, but then treat their non-racing-professional customers poorly because they're too busy pushing the race program.

Cosworth hasn't been involved in Indycar engines for a long time. Cosworth has had engine trouble this year in F1 and has been dropped, so they longer are F1 engine suppliers. They're good, just that F1 budgets are overwhelming the small company. More than good enough to do anything for lesser racing formulae or street cars, but then again, it isn't the same division and people working on the stuff they sell to the public.

Dec 23, 2006 | 09:15 PM

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I can only speak for myself - after seeing the Cosworth cams I will not sell or recomend any other

They are vastly superior to anything I have seen and the price point is very fair for what you get

retail is $640 and street price is lower

So were the cam specs 272s or 280s?

Dec 23, 2006 | 09:28 PM

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The funny thing about many members here in the evo community who do not understand about automtive motorsports and racing and do not diferentiate between a company like cosworth and some of our evo m vendors

Here is cosworth's resume

Roll of Honour

2006 Introduction of the Cosworth AE, a world first in lightweight diesel engine technology for the UAV and portable power generation markets.

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2006 Cosworth CA debut - The highest revving and most powerful V8 engine on the F1 grid. Installed in the WilliamsF1 car, newcomer Nico Rosberg entered the record books by becoming the fourth driver to knock up a "fastest lap time" in their debut race.

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2005 Cosworth supply two variants of the Ford 2.3ltr Duratec engine for the Caterham Seven CSR - a 200bhp road-going version and a 260bhp race engine.

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2004 Markko Martin wins 3 rounds of the World Rally Championship in the Ford Focus RS WRC.. Cosworth launch their range of D-power performance parts for the 2.3ltr Ford Duratec engine.. Cosworth sold by Ford to Kevin Kalkhoven and Gerald Forsythe, co-owners of the Champ Car World Series."

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2003 176th Formula One win by Ford-Jordan GP. Cosworth wins MIA Business of the Year

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2002 XFE developed for two-year exclusive contract with CART Bio-ethanol engine produced for Sportscar racing

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2000 XF wins CART engine Manufacturer's title in inaugural year

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1999 CR-1 new Formula One engine supplied to Stewart Grand Prix

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1998 Ford Motor Company purchased Cosworth Racing

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1996 KF V6 Opel engine won the German ITC Series. XB CART/Indy engine was replaced with the XD

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1995 Jacques Villeneuve won the CART/Indy Championship and Indianapolis 500. AC V8 engine won the International Formula 3000 Championship. Richard Scammell (Managing Director) received MBE from the Queen

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1994 Cosworth received British Design Council Award for the AC engine. Michael Schumacher won the Formula One World Championship with the Zetec-V8 engine. AC V8 engine won the International Formula 3000 Championship. Ford Escort RS Cosworth won the Monte Carlo Rally

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1993 Nigel Mansell won the CART/Indy title with the XB engine. QG V6 engine powered Ford Mondeo to win the World Touring Car Championship. AC V8 engine won the International Formula 3000 Championship

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1992 Cosworth received The Queens Award for Export Achievement. DFX CART/Indy was replaced with the XB which won 6 races in its first season

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1991 HB V8 engine powered Jaguar XJR14s won the World Sports Car Championship

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1990 Vickers Plc purchased Cosworth

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1989 HB V8 3.5litre Formula One engine won 11 races between 1989-1993

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1988 Carlton Communications purchased Cosworth

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1987 Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth won the World Touring Car Championship. Bobby Rahal won the CART/Indy title with the DFX

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1986 Bobby Rahal won the CART/Indy title with the DFX. Cosworth received The Queens Award for Export Achievement

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1985 Al Unser won the CART/Indy title with the DFX. HRH Duke of Kent opened Wellingborough Manufacturing site

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1984 Mario Andretti won the CART/Indy title with the DFX

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1983 Al Unser won the CART/Indy title with the DFX

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1982 Keke Rosberg won the Formula One World Championship with the DFV. Cosworth received award from Autosprint for 150 Victories in Formula One. Rick Mears won the Cart/Indy title with the DFX

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1981 Nelson Piquet won the Formula One World Championship with the DFV. Rick Mears won the CART/Indy title with the DFX

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1980 UEI Plc purchased Cosworth. Johnny Rutherford won the CART/Indy title with the DFX. Alan Jones won the Formula One World Championship with the DFV

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1979 Rick Mears won the CART/Indy title with the DFX. Keith Duckworth received British Design Award from the Duke of Edinburgh for the DFV engine

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1978 Mario Andretti won the Formula One World Championship with the DFV

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1977 Cosworth received RAC Diamond Jubilee Award

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1976 James Hunt won the Formula One World Championship with the DFV. DFX CART/Indy engine won 151 races between 1976 and 1989

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1974 Emerson Fittipaldi won the Formula One World Championship with the DFV

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1973 Jackie Stewart won the Formula One World Championship with the DFV

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1972 Emerson Fittipaldi won the Formula One World Championship with the DFV

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1971 Jackie Stewart won the Formula One World Championship with the DFV

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1970 J Rindt won the Formula One World Championship with the DFV

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1969 Jackie Stewart won the Formula One World Championship with the DFV

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1968 Graham Hill won the Formula One World Championship with the DFV

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1967 Jim Clark won first time out with the DFV engine. DFV engine dominated Formula One for 15 years and won 155 World Championship Races

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1964 Cosworth moved to Northampton

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1959 The first Ford-based Formula Junior power unit was developed

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1958 Cosworth was founded by Keith Duckworth and Mike Costin

Very impressive, however I dont see anything having to do with the 4g63 motor, or Mitsu for that matter. Toyota has a pretty impressive resume as well, but I wouldn't go to them for Evo parts.

Nothing against Cosworth, but I think people get a little overhyped because of the name.

And as I remember Cosworth was dropped from F1 because thier motors couldn't finish a race in one piece. I dont want people to get the wrong idea, these cams are very good, but I'd still shop around before you make your decision.

*this post was not directed at you Al, I just wanted to use Cosworth's resume as a quote, so dont take this personally*

Dec 23, 2006 | 09:31 PM

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If you are trying to sell a product of course you are going to rave about how good they are so your not stuck with dead stock. I personally havent seen any posts about how great these cams except for this one. Maybe they are that good but my money would have to go with probably not but only time will tell. I think the Cosworth cams for the IX are comparable to the S2's that are going to be available from GSC and wont see there full potential until they are on an Evo with the right supporting mods.

Dec 23, 2006 | 09:31 PM

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So were the cam specs 272s or 280s?

272's, Cosworth doesn't make a 280 cam.

Dec 23, 2006 | 09:55 PM

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I have no relationship with cosworth

I do sell a limited amount of parts and I order a few sets of these cams a couple of months ago for a few customers who expressed an interest

99% of my income is derived from tuning cars

I recomend parts which work and which I feel my customers will be satisfied with

I could sell HKS, JUN, or Buddy Club, Force Performance, Tomie, Comp or any other brand of cam and make the same money or more than on the Cosworth

The fact that I do not stock or promote any of these other cams should be noticed by those who question my motivation

I like HKS cams, I love JUN cams and I think on the IX the Cosworth are very good

Al

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