472 with my old 35r setup...

503 with the current mods listed in my sig without out a tune...

Basically, the XS Power intercooler is very capable as far as im concerned...

 

Would this require any cutting or welding to the driver's side end tank? I wonder if the AMS intercooler requires modification to fit the IX.

 

Thanks for your opinion, but we are still on the search for cold hard facts.

I bet if you left the stock FMIC on there, your car would not have just hit a wall at 473 and not been able to continue either...

 

i'd like to see someone do back-to-back dyno runs changing nothing but the intercooler for stock to the ebay unit. and not with a turbo upgrade, just the normal bolt-ons.

 

It's been done, and has been proven that the stock intercooler can handle anything you can throw at it while on the stock turbo.

I think i will be a very good candidate for this test, as i have the basic bolt-ons; but still stock intercooler at this point and a large enough turbo to heat things up. My roommate is going to purchase the Horsepower freaks FMIC, and i will purchase the Ebay. I will run on the dyno with my current setup on stock intercooler, then with Ebay, then with HPF. We'll see what happens... Though i'm sure this won't happen for a while; and i only plan on doing this test if there is still no conclusive data by that point.

 

I count 26 cooling passages on the stock IC and 16 on the eBay intercooler. If I take into account the extra thickness of the eBay IC I get 22.5 passages (16*3.5/2.5). Seems hard to believe that the eBay intercooler could cool the intake charge more efficiently than the stock IC. However, it does appear that the eBay IC will definitely flow better than the stock IC. Maybe some sort of trade-off.

 

My first setup was as follows:

RNR GT35r Kit
HKS 280's
SMC Meth Kit
Walbro 255
XS Power Intercooler
3" Turbo Back
Cone Filter
Greddy Profec B
Greddy Type S Blow Off
Jestr Flash
Stock Bottom End

At 32 PSI with AFR's in the 10s we hit 472 on the mustang dyno. This was pump + meth. NO C16.

I recently swapped out the 35r for a PT67 PTrim Ball Bearing turbo and added a Alky Control kit with dual M15 nozzels, an HKS DLI II, and a 2.3 Bottom End.

We were in the process of tunning with the Meth kit sprayed all of the meth onto the Dyno instead of into the intercooler piping. Needless to say we were done for the day. We hit 503 whp during the initial Runs before noticing the meth issue. This was on a flash and the AFR's were in the 9's.

Im not telling anyone to go out there and buy this intercooler. I really could care less. I, myslef, like to know whether I can save a buck. If this intercooler falls a part at 600 whp, then yes, I will buy a "better" one. If not, its gonna stay there. Thats why im also on a flash. Could I by an AEM and maybe make additional power. Possibly, but like I said, I will push what I have as far as I can.

So, can this intercooler support over 500 whp? Absolutely.

Is it better than the stock intercooler? Who knows (and frankly I don't care).

Is AMS's intercooler better? Maybe... Not really my personal concern.

BTW, I did not post my original comment to "Prove" anything...

 

can you post a link to the results of a back-to-back stock vs. ebay IC dyno test? i've checked into it and could never find one. thanks.

 

There isn't one... That's why i was saying i wanted to do it. I don't know why i said "it's been done" i must have read your post wrong.

I was trying to say that supposedly since stock FMIC is sufficient for "up to 500 whp" just like the stock intake is "good for up to 400 whp", no intercooler should make anymore power on the stock turbo than the stock does.

But now that i think about it, that's just BS because people do make more power from intakes, and people do make more power from front mounts...

So i guess the question is: when something is "good for xxx whp"; what does that really mean?


That it won't blow up or hit a magical wall...? Well no ****... We need vendors in here.

I don't even know what i'm talking about anymore

 

holy shat, all this drama over someone using a EBAY ic. this is my opinion, while everyone knows that AMS, Buschur, HPF, Etc all makes great power and cools better at certain levels and blah blah blah but at the end of the day if the guy is happy with the EBAY ic that he picked up for a bill fifty then so be it. i got my eye on a AMS one and i bet someone somewhere is spinning in the chair in front of his computer, spilling his lucky charms on his under-roos calling me an idiot for not going with someone else because he read how much more power i would make with brand x over brand y.

Endstate of this rant: if the guy is happy and butt dyno says he made power then give him a high five

 

I've seen logs from people that have upgraded their front mount on a stock turbo and had less knock with the aftermarket IC, especially at prolonged loads in 4th gear or a situation that stresses the IC. So, anyone who says that the stock font-mount can handle anything the stock turbo can throw at it, isn't taking knock into the equation or is just regurgitating what someone else has said.

And doing a dyno pull wouldn't tell us much either. One pull for a few seconds won't tell you how well an IC performs, especially at modest boost levels where the turbo is in it's efficieny range for the compressor.

A real test is a 1-4 or 1-5 gear pull, or at a boost level where the compressor of the particular turbo is beyond it's peak efficiency. That will will tell you how well the IC is cooling the air back down. If you guys have ever seen the IC tests that Nisei have done, those are the type of tests that I am talking about. Full 1-5 gear runs, with temp probes pre and post IC, as well as ambient. That's the only way that you can tell whether or not the IC is 'good'.

For those of us that don't have the time or money to run pre and post temp sensors, etc, we can at least log our cars and find how much boost or timing we can run on a particular turbo before we see knock. Then we can do the same with the new IC. If you can run more boost or more timing on the same turbo under the same conditions, then that IC is cooling the charge better (cooler, longer) so that you can run higher boost or more timing or the same boost and timing for a longer time. Buy a Tactrix cable, get used to logging and then there won't be debates likes this on whether certain parts work or not.


Eric

 

can't you just log intake air temp for a 1-4 pull and try both IC's?

 

I can't knock anyone for wanting to save a few bucks...

But just like everything else that is manufactured using someone else's hard work and skill...if you bite off it you're only hurting those who want to buy the real deal.
AMS put a lot of effort into designing an IC that will benifit the Evo, and along comes some jack-hole who copies the design, has a bunch of 12 year olds in China weld some together and then sells it on Ebay.

Sure the part may work but the practice is dispicable.

 

man i should go to china and learning welding techniques if they can weld like that at 12years old i could be making my own intercoolers

 

Well I couldn't really say what I dynoed before since it was a a different dyno. ANYWAY since you want to know.... on a different dyno I made 257 AWHP with the absence of the IC, Walbro, and the MBC. SO....257 AWHP on a different dyno.

So with the MBC holding about 20 to redline and the Ebay IC I made 35 more wheel horsepower. Not to mention this may be conservative....I think the numbers were corrected on the previous dyno. According to AMS they don't correct the numbers.

Before you say something about the dyno....they were both Dynojet.