David Buschur

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Here you go, we finally did it. I hope everyone is happy now. I know I am.

My car is on the dyno making huge power, 640 whp with the new HTA35R on it. We have our Race FMIC on it which I say is the best FMIC you can buy with your hard earned money. The tempurature today is 62 degrees F in our dyno room.

I made a bunch of pulls this morning and the car was making within 1-3 hp on the last few of 640/511 torque.

When I got done I decided to leave the car on the dyno and put on the Ebay intercooler that is a copy in appearance to the AMS FMIC.

My car is running C16. I am using NO air temp correction for fueling other than when the air is BELOW 50 degrees F. So if the air temp goes UP the fuel stays the same. I am using no timing compensation for anything either. What I am telling you all is the map is the map, it is running what I told it to and not making adjustments.

The last pull I made with our Race FMIC was 643 whp and 511 ft lbs of torque. I MADE NO CHANGES. I left the dyno, had Ted bolt on the new intercooler and came back when he was done.

Here is the important data:

Air temp after the intercooler at the start of the pull, 62.60 degrees.
Air temp after the intercooler at the end of the pull, 69.80 degrees.
Increase in air temp 7.2 degrees.
Peak boost was 40.3 psi.

We then bolted on the Ebay special that is an AMS attempted copy. Absolutely NO changes were made to anything other than bolting on the I/C.

Car made 633 whp and 505 ft lbs of torque. So not a bad loss at this HP level.

Here is the BAD part.

Air temp after the intercooler at the start of the pull, 62.60 degrees.
Air temp after the intercooler at the end of the pull, 122 degrees!! That is an increase in air temp of 59.4 degrees in a single gear pull!
Peak boost went up which I find strange as it hit 42.1.

The knock count went up considerably with these higher air temps. To run the car safely I would need to pull atleast a few degrees of timing.

**So in summary the intercooler with 2 more psi boost made 10 less whp than our Race FMIC at that is at big HP levels. The problem is the intercooler is NOT EFFICIENT AT REMOVING HEAT. Which is what it is there for. I am betting the stock FMIC is not much worse than this. An increase of 59.4 degrees is absolutely HUGE in a single gear pull. On a summer day or road race/autocross situation this intercooler would absolutely SUCK.

Bottom line is, you get what you pay for and buying one of these I do not think is a good investment of your money.

shivaswrath

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haha-u get what you pay for!! So that means I have to order a 20-g-LT AND a Race FMIC from you now. . .this list keeps on getting longer :-)

thanks David for the update and inimitable R&D. . .

AF-Evo8

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thanks for the test and the info Dave.

JeffMas1587

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nice work. i need to stop breaking my car so i can afford a fmic from you guys.

Cajun Power

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Thanks for putting this to rest!

AF-Evo8

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Now if you did the Ebay TBE swap on your car that might shut a lot of people up too

NoTec

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This thread is gonna explode. Good test. Thanks for the info.

AF-Evo8

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+100000 no doubt about that.

Lancematic

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Dave thanks for setting things straight. Keep up the good work!

o.e.boost

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nice r&d but isnt the regular ams core and or copy only good up to about 600 whp?...

4WS Tuning

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nice results!

good thing im broke and will never have a 35r lol

20glt is coming up for next month though! thank ur buddies at CBRD for a real test on a car with the same mods as 95% of the members on here..

on a mustang dyno....
40whp gained on an evo 9 on 93! probably 60whp on meth... you certainly hit the jackpot with this one!

McDougal

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Didn't CBRD just do something like this? Pretty much the same if I remember. Most people will say "I won't buy an eBay intercooler, but I will buy an eBay exhaust." Good test though.

2 Deep Motoring

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good work... now i need to decide from you guys and ams but thats been beaten to death too haaha

kmcconn9

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Maybe this will influence people to stop buying ebay fmic's.....

Good information dave, and very nice power with the new 35R!...

David Buschur

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2nd test didn't come out to good.

I had also bought a new LARGE FMIC to test awhile back. This is the really big one with the 3" inlet/outlet.

First off it does not fit with our FMIC plumbing and it has not mounts. It's just a big Ebay intercooler.

We had some 3" to 2.5" couplings and attempted our best to put it on the car. It was fine at 25 psi but would not stay on at 40 psi. Looks like it is a turd anyway so here is what I could get for data:

Air tempurature after the intercooler at start of test, 64.40 degrees
Air tempurature at end of test (test ended at ONLY 6200 rpm as the pipe blew off 2 times) 82.40 degrees.

Peak boost pressure was 41.58 psi.

The test of our Race FMIC were run from 3,000 rpm to 8,000 rpm. Temps were taken at the start and end of the pulls for all these tests.

So even this very large FMIC increased air temps 18 degrees and it wasn't even close to being a full pull. For comparison the smaller ebay intercooler from start to 6200 rpm had increased to 86 degrees.

This concludes our Ebay intercooler testing. I have both of these for sale or you can buy a real intercooler and call us to order the Race FMIC.