Because dyno results couldn't change that much from day to day, I mean it didn't feel like there was a huge change in temperature or something.

Totally felt it on my butt-dyno must be conclusive evidence to you as well, I've got some turbonators for sale if you're interested.

Do these countless high horsepower hondas have names? If not I've got a few friends that have dragged numerous funny cars down the 1320 in their golf carts and I know a guy who has a 3 second supra.

 

I'm not in anyway attempting to start a flamewar but I went with the tested results of the Buschur team and bought the Race FMIC to go with my 50Trim setup and 2.3 stroker.

After everything was installed I was very unimpressed with my numbers 397hp 378lb/ft on 93oct. Most of it was due to severe boost drop at redline 23psi to 20psi. After doing a boost leak test it was revealed that my Race FMIC had two leaks in the welds at the bottom of the core.

Unfortunately, I have to go get retuned now to get the power that I have been shooting for.

This is just speaking to my personal experience.

NOTE 1: I contacted Buschur Racing and Jarrod was more then happy to take my FMIC and reweld it but I have someone local to me that does amazing Aluminum welding.

NOTE 2: I don't think this speaks to the overall quality of Buschur products. Again just personal experience.

 

If the ebay IC doesn't hurt power much vs. even the thicker race unit with almost no air flow through the core, is it possible that once you get them on the street/track with real world airflow that the ebay would be perfectly adequate? In other words, could the race model be just overkill? It's one thing to say that one works better than another in a test environment, or that one has less air temp rise with the car sitting still. It's another to say that one is significantly better in the real world with real world air flow. I particularly wonder about this considering that most people don't have 9 second cars running 40 psi.

 

Bang for your buck, what would be better? My guess is a $150~ Ebay IC... rather than $500+ (I don't know the price) of others FMIC's. Which is <10HP difference while at 600WHP.. on a low reading Mustang Dyno at that!

That being said I'll still be going with an EBAY unit, at least while my EVO is at relatively low power levels. (<120mph)

 

You don't understand. He is running AEM EMS, and turned off safety measures; on a normal daily driven car, the safety measures would be in place and power would have dropped dramatically.

wtf are you talking about? Did you not read the thread? Odviously the Ebay intercooler for the Evo will negatively effect power output.

 

Read the thread and use your heads guys...

Oh, and this was 1 dyno run for 1 gear! Imagine an entire race event.

I hate people who can't admit they've been beat.

 

Wow...Just Wow.

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With those statements you have shown that you are not a credible source for any of us to believe any of your past, present, or future Dyno Tests. You have blown my freaking mind. I honestly cannot believe you actually posted those words on this forum.

Do you realize that by admitting that if something would have performed better than your own products, that you wouldn't have posted the results is just as bad as posting fake results none the less? This is just freaking crazy. How are we as a forum to believe anything you say now?

Just off the top of my head it makes me now wonder why you are so against pitting your TBE against the XS Power one. Do you see what you have done?

You have just created a huge range of doubt in the whole forum as to how your products may perform because if you now blow off any future dyno test that pit X product against yours we as a forum don't know if you actually already did the test and found your product to be lacking...

You have just proven in your own words that you lack any integrity and/or credibility...Wow!

 

"Atleast not until I figured out what I had to do to either re-sell them OR beat them. "

Someone miss that?

 

Seriously Dave I greatly appreciate the R&D you do and disclose but saying things like you did makes me doubt everything you do from now on regardless.



Scorke

 

A wise man once posted (Tony Palo fastest fwd honda in the country) Ebay intercooler works fine for moderate hp apps, but for high boost apps making big power, ebay intercooler just does not have enough turbulators to cool the air down. The guy knows his stuff very well so this should be a safe assumption. I feel you should make your purchase based on your needs. We all know the garrett core is superior and prefered by lots of intercooler fabricators these results are no suprise and especially at that boost level. Good test though to prove how good the garrett core works on high hp apps only 7 degrees increase is dam good.

 

scorke and faust, don't just pick and choose to read what you want to read. Read all of what I say. When you do that you will find that I have posted every single result of every single part I have ever tested. End of story. Never hid anything. I also said HAD I been outperformed I would have figured out a way to resell the better product or make ours even better to beat theirs. Just like the Ebay 02 housing, it kicked ***, I had no option other than to admit it did and then resell them. WTF is so hard to understand.

I think what is confusing here is that I am honest and some of you can't comprehend it. Rather than tip toeing around life I say what I feel and want to say. Unlike other vendors who play kissy face with some of you I'll tell you the real stuff. I don't play to like everyone as I certainly don't.

Something else. I thought of a good comparison for you all today.

Everytime a test is done someone asked to see it done another way. Let me give you my comparison.

You ask me, "Well what would it do on a smaller turbo and less boost and stock ecu, on a Tuesday on an open road etc. etc."

I just showed beyond doubt it these two intercoolers do not control heat nearly as well as our race FMIC.

So my answer to you is this. "Could another man make my wife orgasm with a smaller *****? Sure he might but it wouldn't be as good as the one she has with my man sized *****."

Tell you what I should have done. I should have turned on the knock control and the air temp correction and let the HP drop about 50 whp over what I was making. That's what I should have done.

If you don't like this test you have a few options.

1. Don't read further and ignore it.
2. Buy some intercoolers and logging equipment and do it yourself.
3. Wait awhile for 94awd to do his testing and show the same results.
4. Or last just **** off haha

 

They put crap parts on the market for cheap people to buy them.. If you cant "pay to play" then why play?

This was brought up before about owning an evo.. If you wanna buy generic parts for cheap to just be "slightly better" then why waste your money. Do it once, and do it right...

Obviously you dont need a bigger FMIC unless you are going to do a bigger turbo, and if you are going to be cheap on a FMIC what are you going to do about a $1000-6000 turbo kit? Please respond with an ATP kit, i am sure there is more to laugh about you still..

Way to go Buschur Racing.... (R&D pays off sometimes..)

 

thats amazing

 

I would have to agree with Dave on this post. I purchused a Deluxe core and I am 110% happy with it. For the price and quality of the cores I would not buy anything else. This just proves even more that the Ebay Intercooler provides no benefit on a high horsepower application.

 

I totally disagree, i appreciate Dave's truthfulness in telling us what he did; it reminds me much of myself, and i know that i would never lie about the outcome of a test just to get me ahead, so it's easy for me to see exactly what Dave is saying and ly more trust in him.

I can see how it would be hard for an unhonest person to grasp this concept though...

Very good info, makes me wonder.

Amen, all stuff i wanted to say; but don't have to type now . It's just truth, this all should be a given without it having to be said; but like i said earlier, i can see how these concepts would be hard for unhonest people to comprehend.