You are so quick to ad critisism To someone elses testing (4tun8) but you cant take the critisism when its your test. Your test is far from perfect. And that is not even the best part. The best part is all the hoopla it causes from the way you present your info. Then even worse the way you respond to contructive critisism. You would rather argue over whether your fan pushes 40mph or 7mph when a real test should have had 125mph air over it.

So your race intercooler beat the pants off the 150$ e-bay core. So what. Test your delux core on the same car. Or better yet test the AMS geniune core on the same car. Or test a guniune "may be as good if not better" core and post the real results. Better yet let someone who isn't you do it.

 

Let me chime in too. I would trust David, Martin, over just some guy posting results first of all and secondly why 125mph? Have you ever autoxed or ran a road course? If you have then you know 125mph is a crock of Sh%&. Most Autocrosses you never get out of 2nd and most road courses you spend much less time under 125mph then over it. Two intercoolers one gained a ton more heat then the other same day, dyno, car, tune, airflow it's pretty simple IMO.

Now is YOUR chance to post YOUR results and EVOM is waiting patiently. My money will still go to a AMS or Buschur Race core over a knock off IC not because it sucks because it is a KNOCK OFF and nobody wants their Shi$ copied ripped off and mass produced for pennies on the dollar by slave labor endorsing countries. If you have ever designed anything and had it ripped off you know exactly what I mean.

Good luc with your test. 94AWD

 

I bet the ebay core is really heavy, but i havent had one to weigh.

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its getting worse and worse with threads getting slammed, for such an informative forum, it can really suck sometimes ;(

cb

 

is it me or am i also the only one that see how rediculeous high some of these companies are charginf for their intercoolers
i mean with that kind of money your better off geting precisions intercooler which even cost less than some of these outragious price vendors are charging for their intercoolers

 

As I read through this thread, I realize that I like David a lot more than I thought I did. He's kinda old-style America, if that makes sense. Testing should still be done independently, but I don't question his veracity.

I'm amazed that dynoflash hasn't made an appearance to talk about how much he loves Buschur and how grateful he is for Dave letting him do whatever it is that he does for them. He'd probably talk a little bit about penises too.

 

You mean there are people that are actually surprised by this?

 

buschur tested an ams copy to their race intercooler. their intercooler is much bigger than the ams copy and also as buschur stated their intercooler is much heavyer too
doesent sound like a fair test to me

 

Further reason why I need a BR Race FMIC on my Evo now that I have my time trial license and am running 26psi on track. Help me out, Dave, I need to combat this heatsoak!

 

Way to bring a laugh into an over-serious thread

I appriciate Dave passing on the info from his testing and I'll draw my own conclusions. Can't wait for your test 94awd!

 

Does anyone really think the cores on the Ebay units are any good? I mean, it's one thing to use some hollow 3" piping to make an exhaust. The science involved in making a good core is on a whole other level.

I would love to hear an engineer's opinion.

 

im not knocking the ebay (loose term... i think it should be called knockoff), or anything like that...

just curious of the weight...

 

Broke Back Motorsports to the rescue!

 

Not sure what that means, and if it's a reference to Brokeback Mountain, then it makes no sense.

 

^literally LOLd at that

I think Ebay IC vs DB/AMS IC is the new Evo vs Sti.

I'm definitely curious about what you'll be bringing to the table with your test 94AWD. It will most certainly be scrutinized as all recent IC tests have. Deservedly more so I'd wager.

Glad I'm not in the market for an IC just yet...

 

I am certainly glad to serve your marketing efforts in the Technical forum. I would bet money, just as you would, that your intercooler is better than e-bays, but that is not the point. It is all in the way you present the information. Your title states, "the facts, the truth," but your data is far from substantiating such claims.

Do I think you are right? Yes I do, but only based on intuition and not actual facts. You should state it something like this, "I experienced X and based on that information I have concluded Y." I would also try to at least state some assumptions for your test as well as the potential short comings. For example you could say, I tested the intercooler on the dyno, but it does not reflect the exact cooling efficiency you will see while driving.

As far as the hillbilly test, yes that is a hillbilly test. I had this conversation with Corky Bell some years back and we went through the calculations. The result was that shop fans, even good ones don't provide much simulated flow and this is something that can be calculated. Please trust me on this or have one of your fan boys do the calculations.