Notices
Evo Engine / Turbo / Drivetrain Everything from engine management to the best clutch and flywheel.

I want to run a antilag setup on my evo 9, what do I need?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 06:00 PM
  #61  
tabio42's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 443
Likes: 0
The first one he described will create a loud backfire.

You need to understand that Anti-Lag does not create large amounts of boost by itself. Your motor has to have already been making boost for the anti-lag to uphold the boost. If you want boost off the line with an anti-lag system you need to rev your motor.

What is the point of not wanting to rev your motor? You will be making twice as much noise with anti-lag.

Also- you put down no lift shifting because you think it damages your drivetrain. What do you think happens when you shift with anti-lag and you get 20lbs of boost instantly? Better yet - what happens when you don't rev match as well as you would have by no lift shifting? Doesn't that cause drivetrain stress?
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 08:00 PM
  #62  
4Trouble's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 594
Likes: 0
From: Hong Kong
The whole purpose of anti-lag system is when you are racing in WRC, it is little different than on track. It is not always brake, brake, turn your handle, accelerate, accelerate. There are so many moments where your revs go below the boost range due to the condition of particular section of the 'road' and yet you can't downshift since it'll spin the car out. Thats when the anti-lag kicks in and keeps the boost up so when you are back on gas, it'll shoot your engine back up into boost range, while making the 'pop pop' sound. From what I remember anti-lag has already been banned from WRC for awhile now.
2-step is more than enough for drag races and ALS is totally unecessary. After the initial launch, you're better off power shifting to keep the car in boost between shifts than let the ALS work for you for split second. Either way, you'll damage your car eventually.
It sounds like you are looking for ALS purely for show, 'impressing' people you know and 'intimidate' people in cute street drag races you run. As long as you have money, anything is possible though, just goto a tunershop, get autronic or motec standalone, custom manifold and be ready to replace your exhaust and turbo often.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 09:18 PM
  #63  
chrsevx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Account Disabled
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
From: Anywhere I want.
Originally Posted by tabio42
The first one he described will create a loud backfire.

You need to understand that Anti-Lag does not create large amounts of boost by itself. Your motor has to have already been making boost for the anti-lag to uphold the boost. If you want boost off the line with an anti-lag system you need to rev your motor.

What is the point of not wanting to rev your motor? You will be making twice as much noise with anti-lag.

Also- you put down no lift shifting because you think it damages your drivetrain. What do you think happens when you shift with anti-lag and you get 20lbs of boost instantly? Better yet - what happens when you don't rev match as well as you would have by no lift shifting? Doesn't that cause drivetrain stress?

Read the thread and you find the answers to all your dumb questions.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 09:22 PM
  #64  
High_PSI's Avatar
Evolved Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 4,152
Likes: 17
Where can I get a no lift shift patch for my Ecu FlASH? Like I hit the clucth and the RPMS drop for the next shift?
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 09:26 PM
  #65  
JohnBradley's Avatar
Evolved Member
Shutterbug
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 11,406
Likes: 78
From: Northwest
Originally Posted by chrsevx
Read the thread and you find the answers to all your dumb questions.
Antilag doesnt do what you think it does, its not what you want, and part of what makes turbo cars fun is the lag and sudden surge of torque. Instant spool like you describe can be somewhat accomplished by nitrous, but even then you need to be aware that its not instant boost. Instant torque just doesnt happen with turbo cars off idle.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 09:26 PM
  #66  
chrsevx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Account Disabled
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
From: Anywhere I want.
Originally Posted by 4Trouble
The whole purpose of anti-lag system is when you are racing in WRC, it is little different than on track. It is not always brake, brake, turn your handle, accelerate, accelerate. There are so many moments where your revs go below the boost range due to the condition of particular section of the 'road' and yet you can't downshift since it'll spin the car out. Thats when the anti-lag kicks in and keeps the boost up so when you are back on gas, it'll shoot your engine back up into boost range, while making the 'pop pop' sound. From what I remember anti-lag has already been banned from WRC for awhile now.
2-step is more than enough for drag races and ALS is totally unecessary. After the initial launch, you're better off power shifting to keep the car in boost between shifts than let the ALS work for you for split second. Either way, you'll damage your car eventually.
It sounds like you are looking for ALS purely for show, 'impressing' people you know and 'intimidate' people in cute street drag races you run. As long as you have money, anything is possible though, just goto a tunershop, get autronic or motec standalone, custom manifold and be ready to replace your exhaust and turbo often.
I already know the purpose for als, thanks anyway for informing others who dont know .The reason for me wanting to run als was not to impress anybody, nor do I care. You to also need to read the thread before responding. I already stated the reason for me wanting to use als like three times for people who dont read the thread.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 09:34 PM
  #67  
chrsevx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Account Disabled
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
From: Anywhere I want.
Originally Posted by JohnBradley
Antilag doesnt do what you think it does, its not what you want, and part of what makes turbo cars fun is the lag and sudden surge of torque. Instant spool like you describe can be somewhat accomplished by nitrous, but even then you need to be aware that its not instant boost. Instant torque just doesnt happen with turbo cars off idle.
Here we go again John same old, antilag does exactly what its called. Yeah the teh lag is fun for gas milage thats about it. If turbo lag is so fun why do turbo car manufactures and turbo kit manufactores try to reduce turbo lag, with every new turbo car or turbo kit they manufacture.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 09:39 PM
  #68  
JohnBradley's Avatar
Evolved Member
Shutterbug
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 11,406
Likes: 78
From: Northwest
Have you ever ridden in a car with antilag? Have you ever attended a Rally or a Pro turbo drag race event? Antilag does exactly what its called but only between shifts or launching. You dont press the pedal and it somehow magically makes the car spool. I have personally had a WRX equipped with antilag from an Autronic SM2. I am very sure I know A LOT more about antilag than you think you do.

Since you know more than everyone on this board why have you asked this question? Believe it or not I was trying to help get what you did want, but from the sound of it you need a Mustang or something that has no lag.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 09:46 PM
  #69  
chrsevx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Account Disabled
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
From: Anywhere I want.
Originally Posted by JohnBradley
Have you ever ridden in a car with antilag? Have you ever attended a Rally or a Pro turbo drag race event? Antilag does exactly what its called but only between shifts or launching. You dont press the pedal and it somehow magically makes the car spool. I have personally had a WRX equipped with antilag from an Autronic SM2. I am very sure I know A LOT more about antilag than you think you do.

Since you know more than everyone on this board why have you asked this question? Believe it or not I was trying to help get what you did want, but from the sound of it you need a Mustang or something that has no lag.
It dosent even matter if I have because you dont no what your talking about. You dont even know what the word antilag means by what you been saying latly. How are you helping. If you keep explaining things wrong and try to make me look stupid, go figure. It's real funny that you say I know more than everybody on this board when you keep trying to explain antilag in the wrong way when it has been correctly explained several times in this thread.

P.S. On your slowbaru that you had if you steped on the accelerater and the boost was not their you did not have als. You dont kno as much as you think about antilag I can tell by reading your post.

Last edited by chrsevx; Oct 15, 2007 at 12:01 AM.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 09:55 PM
  #70  
raiceboi697's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (42)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,588
Likes: 2
From: Rochester, NY
since we are asking for crazy things on our USDM Evos i want passnager eject button and stealth mode so hondas and cops wont bug me
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 10:02 PM
  #71  
chrsevx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Account Disabled
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
From: Anywhere I want.
Originally Posted by raiceboi697
since we are asking for crazy things on our USDM Evos i want passnager eject button and stealth mode so hondas and cops wont bug me
Good one.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 11:03 PM
  #72  
evo_what's Avatar
Evolving Member
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 251
Likes: 0
From: Connecticut
Originally Posted by chrsevx
Good one.
seriously though; how can you make boost standing still without stepping on the gas pedal to raise rpms, and then hit a "2-step" limiter to hold the boost? anti-lag is to not lose boost between shifts when moving, and a 2-step is for building boost on a launch (with stepping on the gas prior to launch). i don't think anyone knows what you want? you cant build boost without an rpm increase....

-Chris
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 11:23 PM
  #73  
chrsevx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Account Disabled
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
From: Anywhere I want.
Originally Posted by evo_what
seriously though; how can you make boost standing still without stepping on the gas pedal to raise rpms, and then hit a "2-step" limiter to hold the boost? anti-lag is to not lose boost between shifts when moving, and a 2-step is for building boost on a launch (with stepping on the gas prior to launch). i don't think anyone knows what you want? you cant build boost without an rpm increase....

-Chris
anti lag is to have boost all the time why would antilag be called antilag if it wasent so. Boost available while idiling is a pefect example of antilag. What youre describing is a 2step.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 11:26 PM
  #74  
Billy@EnglishRacing's Avatar
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,458
Likes: 0
From: Puyallup, wa
john bradley points have a ton of merit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Lag_System

http://www.autronic.com/technical_da...es/antilag.pdf
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 11:34 PM
  #75  
chrsevx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Account Disabled
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
From: Anywhere I want.
Originally Posted by inneedof
Some what but he truly dosent understand how an antilag setup works it not only suppose to work inbetween shifts and launching that would be two steping not antilag.
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:42 PM.