Once Again......avoid Valero Gas Stations......they Are Robbing Us.
Sunoco, BP and Shell have proven time and time again to be good quality fuel and I think you are getting what the pump says you are getting.
The weights and measures do NOT check for octane. As a matter of fact there is no Federal or State agencies that check for octane. They check to make sure you are getting 1 gallon if you pay for a gallon and they also check for contaminents in the fuel. Sad for us, there is nobody checking the octane ratings.
Doing a test between all the different fuels is not something I want to do. It would depend on the crooked ***** who owns the gas station anyway and what he is actually putting in the tank.
I can tell you our local Sunoco and Shell both sell kick *** gasoline.
The weights and measures do NOT check for octane. As a matter of fact there is no Federal or State agencies that check for octane. They check to make sure you are getting 1 gallon if you pay for a gallon and they also check for contaminents in the fuel. Sad for us, there is nobody checking the octane ratings.
Doing a test between all the different fuels is not something I want to do. It would depend on the crooked ***** who owns the gas station anyway and what he is actually putting in the tank.
I can tell you our local Sunoco and Shell both sell kick *** gasoline.
evo nv, so use companies that end in "co"? Like Shellco, Sunoco, Marathonco, BPCO, but not Cosco? hahaha. I didn't realize Marathon or Shell ended in CO.
Evo Kid, Since California is by far the most screwed up state in this country you could be right, but I am betting against you.
Evo Kid, Since California is by far the most screwed up state in this country you could be right, but I am betting against you.
It surprising.. unless its the walmart theory.. mass volume. low quality.. huge profits..
BTW, +1 to David for his Cali comment. I say we start a petition to annex that place away from the rest of the union.
evo nv, so use companies that end in "co"? Like Shellco, Sunoco, Marathonco, BPCO, but not Cosco? hahaha. I didn't realize Marathon or Shell ended in CO.
Evo Kid, Since California is by far the most screwed up state in this country you could be right, but I am betting against you.
Evo Kid, Since California is by far the most screwed up state in this country you could be right, but I am betting against you.
Ohio is one of only four states that does not have a statewide gas-quality testing program. The others are Alaska, Nebraska and Pennsylvania.
That means the rest of the states DO test Octane at the pump.
All fuel be it BP, Sunoco etc comes from the same distribution point. Octane that goes in the tank is blended by the pumps. If Valero, the company that has a monopoly on Ohio turnpike stations is cheating on its blends of premium then they should be proven and reported to the state.
So in these states it may make better sense to buy from a large seller that will be testing Octane of fuel they purchase to make sure THEY aren't getting ripped off.
The best thing Mr. Buschur can do is buy the gas and do the tests and call the media He'll get a lot of press for it.
That means the rest of the states DO test Octane at the pump.
All fuel be it BP, Sunoco etc comes from the same distribution point. Octane that goes in the tank is blended by the pumps. If Valero, the company that has a monopoly on Ohio turnpike stations is cheating on its blends of premium then they should be proven and reported to the state.
So in these states it may make better sense to buy from a large seller that will be testing Octane of fuel they purchase to make sure THEY aren't getting ripped off.
The best thing Mr. Buschur can do is buy the gas and do the tests and call the media He'll get a lot of press for it.
Last edited by Evol.ved; Nov 16, 2007 at 05:21 AM.
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Pump gas fuel variation is a huge issue for high performance turbo cars and a very good reason why it is important to make sure all tunes have a significant margin of saftey to afford for bad qualiy gas.
It is a fact that many gas stations are ripping off consumers
I have found that trying to partonize gas company owned stations helps to increase your odds at gettng a fresh and good quality tak of gas
Independant retailers seem to be less reliable
Cheapo off brands are mostly garbage - such as Costco - Valero - Quick Trip - etc etc
If you are trying to save a few cents with discount gas the Evo is not the car for you
Al
It is a fact that many gas stations are ripping off consumers
I have found that trying to partonize gas company owned stations helps to increase your odds at gettng a fresh and good quality tak of gas
Independant retailers seem to be less reliable
Cheapo off brands are mostly garbage - such as Costco - Valero - Quick Trip - etc etc
If you are trying to save a few cents with discount gas the Evo is not the car for you
Al
I am trying to see how Valero is an off brand when they probably have about just as many stations in north america as shell and chevron maybe more? I use to use shell in houston and swore by it and I have now switched to valero same tune and before on shell i use to see random knock counts in 4th gear and now they are gone on the valero brand. I think it is more of where you buy the gas and the distributors rather than the actual brand because Valero is pretty dam big. As a matter of fact I tuned my car on a hot day at 21-22psi 10.9 - 11.1 afr and yesterday it got cold in houston around 30 - 40 degrees and my car hit 24.5psi (read from a mapsensor)to redline and no knock on valero gas, havent touched the tune since the hot weather.
Last edited by mchuang; Nov 16, 2007 at 08:50 AM.
i wouldn't go to wawa anymore if i were you... i went there not realizing they have 92 octane and not 93 anymore... I have been to 3 of them and confirmed it. But I can't speak for all of them. Just be careful
