very nice, thanks for the info

 

Dyno numbers are great but mean nothing until backed up with track times.

I think alot of people aim for power instead of an actual goal. Simply claiming you want 400whp doesn't provide anything except dyno queen noise.

Is the car going to be used for autox, lapping days, stoplight racing, highway pulls, standing mile, or 99% daily driver. We need more specific info.

Do you mainly race from the dig or a roll? Do you want to have to down shift and run to 8000k rpm or do you want excellent partial throttle tip in. Do you plan on staying with only pump gas or do you put the good stuff in for special occations?

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Mellon, I barely made 11s but thats with only two mods and running out of gear. There's alot left in my setup. I'm wouldn't even consider a bigger turbo at this time.

 

You ran out of gear or you ran out of power in your gear. I know the answer already as you didn't run out of gear with 116 mph trap speed. Great job on your time with a stock turbo but we are talking about an 03 EVO VIII also. Its cool that you want to keep your turbo, not an issue at all. The thread creator doesn't and that is his choice.

 

That is not hard at all. I do 11's on pump and I am just a bolt on IX. I have seen more stock turbo cars run consistent lower numbers than big turbo cars. I have to agree that unless you have already maxed out your stock turbo to its full potential then you really have no reason to get a larger one. And to that guy with 472awhp on the atp kit, unless you supply a graph of that run then I cannot believe it. The atp 35r with aem that i drove around for months could not hit those numbers. It is a ****ty kit. I saw that you made 430awhp on 110 octane. I can believe that. I would also like to see some track times. Spooling at 4600 is just terrible if you don't have the power to make up for it. You barely have any usable power. I have spent less than $1000 on my car and went 11's. I also did it at Moroso, one of the worst tracks in the U.S. I have seen cars with less hp do better in other states. No need for a turbo swap unless you are low 11's or better. No atp kit has done that so far. If you are making this power then go prove us wrong.

 

What he is trying to say is that he did it with a stock IX turbo. Any older evo can upgrade to one and run consistent 11's all day. They also have the better cams then the IX's do so they should be even faster. I stock IX turbo should outperform an atp kit in any race as long as it has the right supporting mods.

 

So wheres your slip and video for low 11's on a stock turbo, just saying he could say the same to you about your time. Why put up such a fuss for someone being happy with their ATP setup. Next 4400-4600 rpm probably in 3rd is a normal spool time with a GT30R on the evo so no problem there you aren't uncovering anything new some people like them and some don't. Your power moves out or higher in the power band compaired to the stock turbo so it is still very useable, once again nothing new to a larger turbo. Once again everyone acts like the stock 03 turbo can run mid to low 11s consistantly without any problem and you might be able too but don't make it sound like it so damn easy becuase it isn't. For those who did acomplish this I give much respect, none seem to be in this thread though. Quit worrying about bigger turbos being better for someone who whats that type of setup.

 

man, I think I'm going to sell my 35R kit that's on the way and go back to the 16g, I have unfinished business

 

Might as well we all know you will just go slower <--- don't mean to be so dramatic guys but geeze.

 

I ran an 11.8. I have nothing extraordinary. Many Stock turbo's are around that time. And actually do it easy. He is claiming numbers that no atp kit has made before but doesn't have a graph for that pull. He does give us graphs and it showed 430awhp. That is more believable. I just finished installing a buschur 3065 and it was fully spooled at 4200. That is much larger than the atp kit this guy has. It will easily make 550awhp and 600awhp without even maxing it out. This is on 4 wheel slides new setup. This kit can easily go 10's and will once the motor is being broken in. I have no hate on larger turbo's. I am soon upgrading mine when the hta3065 is ready.

 

What times have you made yet? Every experienced tuner should have a fast car to show what they have done.

 

heres the car revmoto is talking about... My own car that still had many mods i could have done to increase more power..

just to name a few basic parts i was lacking before i got a nice check and decieded to **** it all away on my car.

cams
o2
header
licp

thats an easy 30-40whp addition and around 40-50wtrq





And i time slip.... look at the 96mph trap at the 1/8..... 122-123 easy if i had a DLI.. the car was breaking up bad on the track for some reason..

And to add to the pissing contest, the car is on 19's with crappy tires =-)

 

the stock turbo is more than enough for the street or occasionaly drag race...

a big turbo is in order when doing a lot of dig runs which cant really be done on the street since you'll have 0 traction unless youre running drag radials...



The atp kit is only good when it has the revs to be able to max out the turbo...

That cant happen on a 8k limiter... it needs at least 4k of usable rpms to make power... so if these kits are spooling by 4500-5000 that means to max them out and make nice numbers they need to be revving to around 9k....

If youre going to go thru the trouble of building the motor and getting all the parts you need to run a big turbo why not spend another 700 and get a buschur kit...

I've been looking into big turbo kits for the past year and finally had a chance to play with a 3065 kit and was amazed that it was spooling around 4500 rpms and maxed out by 8000.. FLAT POWER!



Peak power is garbage... thats nothign but bragging rights when you have a little spike... having a nice 2000-3000 rpms of constant high power is what makes you fast and thats what im about... going fast....

 

I can't believe you even want any answer to the post above, I think you really need to keep learning and realize I am not new to the EVO platform. I also realize you are one that will not stop so there is no point as some just have to learn the hard way or try to slip by to make it sound better than it is. Still no dis to anyones setup just trying to give some insight.

 

11.78 @ 117 with a 1.65 60' on straight 93 octane at 25-26psi spike on the first and only 1/4 mile track visit and I only got in 3 runs picking up 1mph per run as I tweaked it. Nothing that special but I've only had the EVO for 6 months or so and I'm just getting started.

I want more and rather than fight for a few more tenths I've decided to give the car what it wants, more air/fuel (35R)

 

What are you even talking about. I am using my self as prime example of a stock turbo car that is not even maxed out that runs 11's when people are saying it is not easily done. You have not made one example to add to this argument.I see it says AMS equipped evo in your sig but what do you have? What power are you making? What times have you made? More info if you are going to argue. If you do have a larger turbo kit then why did you go AMS and not ATP. That is the kit being questioned here.