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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 02:32 PM
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Okay, will do. I expect that to be rather difficult with how fast it pegs though

1.06 housing
Sorry, I realized that I forgot to answer that question after I hit the button and edited my post but didn't quite make it in time.
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 02:37 PM
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I know it's difficult, but try to be as accurate about it as possible. Just try to tell us exactly where the rpm is at 20 psi. Also, try to read the indicated boost pressire at exactly 4000rpm.
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by arpad
I thought I'd update with my FR twinscroll 4088r results... dyno graph shows 91 & E85. Conservative 30psi on E85 and 20psi on 91.
thanks for the update arpad, Would you mind making a new thread? there are a few TS40R setups, yours is the first 2.0L TS40R evo ive seen on here and also the fact that you are using an A2W IC is innovative. Im sure its something alot of others would be interested in seeing.

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looks like 20psi at 4600 on the nose. 1.06 housing.
to see how much faster the increased displacement spools the turbo on tony's dynpack, here is a 2.4L TS40R hitting 20psi ~4300rpm from indub's thread


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Originally Posted by Ted B
I know what the dyno says, but that doesn't necessarily represent what happens on the street. When you get a chance, make a few 3rd gear pulls and try to provide that information.
agreed, will be interesting to see what it does on the street vs the boost plot! On the street arpad may find the setup spooling even better due to the real-world loads that the dyno can not accurately reproduce.
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Full-Race Geoff
...... due to the real-world loads that the dyno can not accurately reproduce.
Man, this is something I would like to understand a little better. Why can't a dyno reproduce accurate real world loads? If the dyno was a purely inertial device where you could adjust the inertia to the mass of the car before the run, there would be no problem, right? So I guess it must not be inertial, it must be just an adjustable drag from some electro-magnetic dealy-bob. Is that it?

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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Full-Race Geoff
On the street arpad may find the setup spooling even better due to the real-world loads that the dyno can not accurately reproduce.
I have seen Razorlab (Bryan @ GST Motorsports) post some pretty similar logs of load on the street vs. load on a Mustang Dyno.

They were VERY similar.
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 11:33 PM
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Hi Geoff! Thanks for all your help when I was researching my current setup
Didn't realize that there weren't many people running 40Rs with 2.0...
Here is the link to the thread I started
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Talonboost
Why can't a dyno reproduce accurate real world loads?
Inertia type dynos (e.g. Dynojet) only present the mass of the rollers as the load, which is static. Real-world loading includes dynamic loading such as drag from air resistance that increases with speed, and therefore a static load is not reflective of real-world loading.

Eddy Current dynos (e.g. Mustang, Dyno Dynamics) are capable of tailoring tractive loading, and thus do a much better job of replicating real-world conditions, but still, they aren't perfect.

When it comes to really tweaking a street tune, or making observations about real-world street characteristics, there is no better venue than the street.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ted B
Eddy Current dynos (e.g. Mustang, Dyno Dynamics) are capable of tailoring tractive loading, and thus do a much better job of replicating real-world conditions, but still, they aren't perfect.
For realistic load tailoring I would almost think that an eddy current dyno would have to "learn" a particular car, which would take a few runs. Or else all the devices that track the run and apply the load would have to be awfully fast responding so that the load is correct milli second by milli second throughout the run. Plus a reasonable aerodynamic template for every car. Seems like a tall order. Yeah I wonder just how advanced these chassis dynos are for this stuff.
I've never seen a dyno run that shows seconds along the horizontal axis. I think if it were me in the designer seat I would not just have one thing on the horiz axis, I would have 3 - rpm, mph, and seconds! You could pick which scale you want to be linear on the page, the other 2 scales would have to be tick-marked in.

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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 10:41 AM
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could someone post the link to evodan's results thread from the TS t3 1.06 35r

i tried searching for it and couldn't find it

i know its old but i still would like to see how that combo worked on a 2.0

thanks
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 11:48 AM
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really nice #s great vid
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 50trim S
could someone post the link to evodan's results thread from the TS t3 1.06 35r...i know its old but i still would like to see how that combo worked on a 2.0
ive worked with evodan for almost 2 years on his setup now, and in all honesty if you want a good 2.0L setup the best bet IMHO is the TS T4 1.06 35R. the T3 is simply not worth it. if you have any questions feel free to PM me or evodan

Originally Posted by arpad
Hi Geoff! Thanks for all your help when I was researching my current setup Didn't realize that there weren't many people running 40Rs with 2.0...Here is the link to the thread I started
thanks arpad!

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When it comes to really tweaking a street tune, or making observations about real-world street characteristics, there is no better venue than the street.
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 07:25 PM
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i have to agree with you geoff.

1st thank you for all you have done and taking me under your wing. your a great friend to add as well.

the old t3 30r i had rocked guys. i mean my car was very limited as it was a full stock motor ecu IM and TB. had week cams in it ''compared to now'' was only running sissy pump gas and was on a flash. never custom tuned. jestr ''my tuner'' has made my car a real icon to 99% of anyone i come in contact with. if my car was custom tuned and actually ran some real boost numbers i cant emagine what would happen.

a few months ago i blew up my trans ''4th gear'' and am doing a full drivetrain build. i made a thread about it but lost intrest in keeping it alive do to several reasons. so the changes there wont be spoke of either till it is finished.

as for my 35r setup. well that is also now long gone with some changes i will not speak of untill the car is finished as im doing it right this time. ''last time was right to but this time i ant f'n around'' 2009 will be a good year for me. i hope.

my opinion is
if your on a stock block and just want to have a street machine that is super fast and reliable i would not think twice on doing another 30r t3 setup. but maybe i would do a 1.06 back side. i learned so much from the TS stuff imo to say that.

if you want to just be retarded fast and peal the paint off your crappy mitsu aluminum fenders i would do nothing smaller then a t4 35r 1.06. i had t3 and it made me sick everytime i went WOT. it was the only time i loved being sick.

remember that is just my opinion. i dont know if others will agree with me but its how i feel. but i would mainly pick your goals. and speak with geoff on your setup and tell him what you want your evo to do. then he will recommend a setup for you that will not dissapoint one bit.
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