i'll keep that in mind if i ever have Shep rebuild my trans. thanks.

 

so i guess i'll save myself a grand for now and just get the meth, injectors, tune, and clutch/flywheel. i'll wait on the porting and throttlebody unless you guys think i should do that as well.

 

I wouldn't agree that the green isn't worth the upgrade, but I would agree that the stock IX turbo can be made into a nice, quick drag car with great street spool. The original post nearly duplicated what OKIX is running as far as additional add-ons. With that said, with VP IMPORT, (I know, here it comes) we made 513 wtq and 445 whp on a Mustang Dyno. Not exactly low numbers. Without the JUN cams and with 50-60 whp less than the new tune, we ran 10.87, also not exactly slow. With those parts and your current parts, spending the time to tune it right (one for race and one for the street) there's no reason the car won't run at least 11.0's or better. Again, I agree that the stock turbo can be made fast, but not as fast as the 20G-LT, provided that both are tuned to their max. The Green will probably be worth 3 tenths or more. The difference of being in the high 10's or being in the low 11's. There are exceptions to every rule, but it's the capabilities were talking about, not the results from the average person who didn't use the right parts, or didn't tune it correctly. I wouldn't discount the worthiness of installing the Green over the stocker, not when it's worth at least 30whp.

 

A IX turbo can make 450whp. It is not worth it to switch to a green. Period.

 

on a stock turbo meth can net you up to 40 whp and 80 wtq

that's a huge kick in the pants difference

 

You do not need injectors. The meth will take care of that. The intake manifold isn't really worth the hastle that much on a bolt on car. That manifold is a ***** to get off. And the TB will only gain you 5whp for all that money. Put that money towards an excedy twin, wideband, good meth kit. Then top it off with a great tune. I am not allowed to recommend who but you get the idea who I like.

 

We run meth and the green. Revmoto, 450 on what dyno. We'll be glad to race any stock turbo making 450 whp against our measley 445 on the Green. With that kind of philosophy, any stock turbo making 450 whp should be glad to race or post better times than our green. The 450 whp is only a relative number and doesn't mean anything. Show me the times on a 450 whp stock turbo and my point of 'worth the upgrade' will be proven.

 

Now this post I agree with, unless you're pushing for every horsepower out of the tune, then you might want to port the intake and TB.

 

^ Your results are wonderful but definately not the norm. Definately not what you will see on 91 octane plus meth.

Your car is dialed in like a ****. You've had an entire day of BR dyno time and you obviously have a grip of cash stuck into that thing.

I guess it all comes down to what this guy uses his car for and what his goals are. We still don't know what those are. All we know is "the voices" insist he continues to buy go fast parts. I hear the voices too. Its a continuous battle in my head.

I think the green is a great choice for weekend high boost high octane drag racing. I don't think its worth the money for a daily driver, cone crushing autox car, or lapping day track ****.

Lastly I still do not recommend getting injectors. You wont need them on the stock turbo and if you plan to run a healthy dose of meth you more than likely wont need them with the green.

 

On 4 wheel slides car he hit 11.4@122. This was on 19's with ****ty tires. The thing would not hook up and almost put him into a wall every time. Wish we could have gotten more runs with better wheels on it. This was with a downpipe with dump, fujita uicp and intake, mbc and meth. The car could have easily gotten close to your times. This is also at the worst track in the world. Moroso FTW. He dynoed 438whp. You tell me that the green is worth it after that.

 

Lot's of owners have the same investments in their cars as we do. I agree that I've spent a lot of dyno time, not only at Buschurs but other awd dynos. But, that's my point. The op said he wanted to get a green and various other parts. It was the posters that said no, not the op. I'm just one of the posters giving him encouragement that it CAN be done. By the way, I hear voices too but my wife just tells me that it's me talking to myself. Oh well. I do still agree that the stocker is also a very valid option to stay with. As far as injectors, I also agree with you. The stockers will be fine without the turbo upgrade.

 

Almost, coulda shoulda woulda didn't get the job done. We ran 10.93 on 425whp, now, the new numbers haven't even been tested. I still predict 10.30's, top that
edited: the car went 10.87 on 425whp. It went 10.93 on 409 I believe, (That's mustang dyno), 10.61 on 443 whp.

 

Oh, by the way, the 10.93 was at 128 mph with LESS horsepower (supposedly) than the 122mph you post about. It proves my point of whp numbers are meaningless.

 

As stated before you have a built motor with everything possible bolted on. I don't think the green is the culprit for your gains. You probably gained an extra 30whp with the green over a IX turbo. To people without a lot of money that is not worth it. The green has not yet proved itself worthy of replacing for IX owners.

 

RevMoto, from the perspective of people without a lot of money, I would have to agree with you, unless money is not the limiting factor. If it's not, then stock appearing, stock type spool and 30+whp might be just enough to make it worth it to the owner. At the time we ran the 10.87, the motor was pure stock internally, other than HKS 272 cams. Enough about our car, though. Truce. The main thing is to help the OP get the most and everything he wants, for the least price.

Good discussions though.