Inside the Brian Crower 2.6L stroker...
It is on the shoulders of the engine builder to determine during assembly whether parts are going to work or not. While I dont support selling parts advertised as ready to install that aren't machined correctly. IT IS still up to installer to determine potential problems during install. It amazes me you toasted 3 motors and blame the parts and not the builder.
It is on the shoulders of the engine builder to determine during assembly whether parts are going to work or not. While I dont support selling parts advertised as ready to install that aren't machined correctly. IT IS still up to installer to determine potential problems during install. It amazes me you toasted 3 motors and blame the parts and not the builder.
If the clerances were too tight on the first kit, why not measure the second one before assembly? not to mention the third one......
Yes, my motor works like a charm.
Much more behind the curtain stuff that happened. But yes i was newb when it came to evos at the time and listen to Brian and others who did not know what they were talking about with the 4g63 platform.
Now what this whole learning experience taught me was to go to people that know 4g63 inside and out. This whole ordeal is what lead me to English Racing
But remember i was getting calls from other machine shop who were running into the same problem that we ran into. But they stopped and said wtf did some research and sent the kit back.
It seems to me that there were problems with the 2.6L kit in the beginning back in '06.
It is also apparent that the problems (whatever they were) have been addressed.
Mr Aklexs' car is testiment to the fact!!!!
Check POST #83 https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6557988-post83.html
It is also apparent that the problems (whatever they were) have been addressed.
Mr Aklexs' car is testiment to the fact!!!!
Check POST #83 https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6557988-post83.html
If I had money I'd buy this kit and rev it to 9500 and see if its really what they claim then end the debate.
DMF doesn't really have much info on their site other then bragging 1100bhp.... it would be nice to see some actual dyno, rev numbers from it.
I've never been impressed by BC stuff, sure its cheap but its nothing special either.
And from the looks at that dyno graph from Mr. Alex, the spoolup isn't that impressive either.
DMF doesn't really have much info on their site other then bragging 1100bhp.... it would be nice to see some actual dyno, rev numbers from it.
I've never been impressed by BC stuff, sure its cheap but its nothing special either.
And from the looks at that dyno graph from Mr. Alex, the spoolup isn't that impressive either.
If I had money I'd buy this kit and rev it to 9500 and see if its really what they claim then end the debate.
DMF doesn't really have much info on their site other then bragging 1100bhp.... it would be nice to see some actual dyno, rev numbers from it.
I've never been impressed by BC stuff, sure its cheap but its nothing special either.
And from the looks at that dyno graph from Mr. Alex, the spoolup isn't that impressive either.
DMF doesn't really have much info on their site other then bragging 1100bhp.... it would be nice to see some actual dyno, rev numbers from it.
I've never been impressed by BC stuff, sure its cheap but its nothing special either.
And from the looks at that dyno graph from Mr. Alex, the spoolup isn't that impressive either.
Using 88mm stroke for the stock 2.0L and 106 for the BC stroker. Average piston speeds are in meters per second. Note...peak piston speeds are not listed, but every piston has to stop twice for every revolution...so it only goes faster between each stopping point (TDC/BDC)
RPM 7.0k 7.5k 8.0k 8.5k 9.0k 9.5k 10.0k 10.5k
2.0: 20.5 22.0 23.5 24.9 26.4 27.9 29.3 30.8
2.6: 24.7 26.5 28.3 30.0 31.8 33.6 35.3 37.1
FYI, if BC claims that they can rev the 2.6L to 9,500 rpms it will have the same avg piston speed as a 2.0L revving to 11,500. 33.7 meters per second! A formula 1 engine has a mean piston speed of 25 meters per second.
Paul,
do you still have that mechanical oil pressure gauge?
The 2.6L is a terrible idea IMO...
RPM 7.0k 7.5k 8.0k 8.5k 9.0k 9.5k 10.0k 10.5k
2.0: 20.5 22.0 23.5 24.9 26.4 27.9 29.3 30.8
2.6: 24.7 26.5 28.3 30.0 31.8 33.6 35.3 37.1
FYI, if BC claims that they can rev the 2.6L to 9,500 rpms it will have the same avg piston speed as a 2.0L revving to 11,500. 33.7 meters per second! A formula 1 engine has a mean piston speed of 25 meters per second.
Paul,
do you still have that mechanical oil pressure gauge?
The 2.6L is a terrible idea IMO...
Last edited by R/TErnie; Feb 18, 2009 at 02:37 PM.
Very cool, but I imagine that the rod/stroke ratio is crazy on this thing...
Anyways, Its always cool to watch something new come up! I bet this thing is a blasty blast to drive!
Anyways, Its always cool to watch something new come up! I bet this thing is a blasty blast to drive!
We took my BC2.5L to 8250 on the dyno, it's seen 85-8600 once or twice. The 2.6 was just just built and shipped, we didn't dyno it so I don't have any rpm info for the BC2.6
SBR fit the 2.6 in a 4G63. Half the main girdle was gone but it was in there.
Sick car by the way!!
SBR fit the 2.6 in a 4G63. Half the main girdle was gone but it was in there.
Sick car by the way!!
Last edited by Bggstin; Feb 18, 2009 at 02:50 PM.
Using 88mm stroke for the stock 2.0L and 106 for the BC stroker. Average piston speeds are in meters per second. Note...peak piston speeds are not listed, but every piston has to stop twice for every revolution...so it only goes faster between each stopping point (TDC/BDC)
RPM 7000 7500 8000 8500 9000 9500 10000 10500
2.0: 20.5 22.0 23.5 24.9 26.4 27.9 29.3 30.8
2.6: 24.7 26.5 28.3 30.0 31.8 33.6 35.3 37.1
FYI, if BC claims that they can rev the 2.6L to 9,500 rpms it will have the same avg piston speed as a 2.0L revving to 11,500. 33.7 meters per second! A formula 1 engine has a mean piston speed of 25 meters per second.
Paul,
do you still have that mechanical oil pressure gauge?
The 2.6L is a terrible idea IMO...
RPM 7000 7500 8000 8500 9000 9500 10000 10500
2.0: 20.5 22.0 23.5 24.9 26.4 27.9 29.3 30.8
2.6: 24.7 26.5 28.3 30.0 31.8 33.6 35.3 37.1
FYI, if BC claims that they can rev the 2.6L to 9,500 rpms it will have the same avg piston speed as a 2.0L revving to 11,500. 33.7 meters per second! A formula 1 engine has a mean piston speed of 25 meters per second.
Paul,
do you still have that mechanical oil pressure gauge?
The 2.6L is a terrible idea IMO...

If you want to talk about geometry that is ok but it seems like you know very little about egines and base your statments on what you can find from google.
I would say the side loads are a bigger issue than the piston speed.
I don't know why you people keep bringing this up but a formula 1 engine has nothing to do with our engines. You can easily rev a 2.0l engine to 10,000rpm as long as it is zero balanced and the valvetrain can handle it. But then again we would be breaking F1 regulations 
If you want to talk about geometry that is ok but it seems like you know very little about egines and base your statments on what you can find from google.
I would say the side loads are a bigger issue than the piston speed.

If you want to talk about geometry that is ok but it seems like you know very little about egines and base your statments on what you can find from google.
I would say the side loads are a bigger issue than the piston speed.






