Hmmm....Hey Shark, thats gotta sound tempting!

 

 

Damn...heh

DB, how many EVO 9s have you tuned on pump 93 and gotten 500+ whp on your dyno?

I know your BF272s are excellent grinds, and I also know that you mentioned that you don't plan to make an evo 9 version(although Im sure there would be plenty of us that would run them on our 9s ), but how do you think the BF272s contribute to the awesome pump power you are getting out of your build/tunes.?

 

I can only think of 2-3 500 whp EVO9's on pump. Cosworth cams.

 

OOOH man....are you crazy?? what are you still doing giving thumbs up from behind the monitor...

get your a$$ up and head down to ohio Shark...there are 100 horses waiting for you at the pump station...

back in the dark days...knights use to travel half way around the world to get a couple of horses!! you are being offered a 100 just couple of hours away!

 

I hear that, but I have to keep my AMS tune just to be on the safe side, even though it sounds tempting im pretty sure AMS has there reason for the way they tune.

 

do u have a contract or something with AMS? im confused here. dont u want more power on pump?

 

Of course everyone wants more power on pump but im just playing it safe.

 

I know me and Lucas English made 571 whp on E85 27psi way before many did. Oregon came out with E85 quickly due to the tree huggers we have in our state

Mods were
1) AMS Oliver Rods
2) AMS Ross Pistons 8.5.1
3) BC 280 cams
4) plus 1 BC valves very little head work
5) ETS 67trim tubo kit
6) ETS 4" Intercooler

Our tune was very conservative as this was my daily driver. I could see with more timing and boost making well over 600whp and still being safe.

Timing was only 8-12 deg at 27psi

I drove this Daily with no problems

I forgot to add the very controversial Magnus manifold

 

Dave,

"tuning situation" The tuning situation Dave, is that I've tuned our original EVO way before it ever became a drag car to well over 500whp on pump gas. This was about 3 or 4 years ago. It did it on our own car and pushed the limit, but I don't tune customers cars that way for a reason. I made big pump gas numbers almost 10 years ago on a 4 cylinder turbo Ford motor using eprom tuning software. Doing the same with today's parts I could make closer 600whp on our EVO but it's NOT SAFE!! What you consider safe and what I consider safe is obviously different and my interest is in keeping an engine running safely and not on or over the ragged edge.

I could make more power on Steve's car on pump gas no problem, but if his car pounds the bearings out or hurts an exhaust valve down the road and I know it's because the car is detonating the whole time, I couldn't sleep at night. Do you really think that 600whp on a 2.0L at 31psi on 93oct is not detonating and safe? You have to go beyond the simple AEM 'noise' sensor and really understand the principles of detonation and the consequences. Yes I like to keep my customers tunes safe, and I feel the glory of getting some high HP pump gas #'s out there isn't worth the potential for damage. Dave you mentioned your BR272 exhaust cam as one of the keys to the pump gas tuning, can you elaborate on that? I'm curious because I've designed a set of cams almost 10 years ago and now I'm in the middle of a huge cam test and analyzing valve events and lift profiles for turbocharged engines.

Once you get away from a stock ECU and it's complex knock algorithm it's pretty easy to overlook knock events.
Many of you would be surprised to know how advanced and complex knock detection really is, and the AEM knock voltage or most any other stand alone that is monitoring knock sensor voltage output is merely a small piece of the puzzle.

 

I also had my personal car running on E85 almost 2 years ago, making 510whp on our GT30R kit.

 

well this is going to get good.

 

Does that mean that the AMS Drag car can beat Dave's Drag car?

 

Edited for me not believing that was really Martin

 

That is Martin at AMS. He had an Account called "AMS" but he has stopped using it so people can put a name to his posts.

Martin is the owner and head engineer behind everything that is done here at AMS. Those are his words and him posting

Eric