I don't have a weight on my RS. I actually plan to weigh it today for the first time in probably a year. I have the scales out from a car I aligned and corner weighted yesterday.

blitz118, my guess is, Peter's car will go 9's at close to 150 mph on straight 93 octane with a good pass and tire on the car.

I like the guys in here talking about how this is all "crying" about someone else's set up. The actual point is there is more to making a car fast than some big dyno number, that's the point.

I agree with 9sec240 to a point about basically "stepping up or stepping off" when it comes to racing. I have said it many times. You can be #1 or you can be something else but being #1 usually means you are willing to do whatever it takes to get there. This means gutting the car, running slicks, running race gas or whatever, I agree with that. It is important though to point out differences in cars at times though.

For example let's once again take Curt's cars. The guy sets records with every car he builds (now that he has engines that last). He does this because he has no excuses. He builds the car, drives the hell out of it and if it needs lightened up he does it. Let's use his 10.5 on the stock turbo for example. For a "normal" guy to look at that and try to obtain it he needs to know the car was on slicks and light when it set the record. If this information was just left blank it would make it very tough for the normal guys brain to function. Leaving out all information when it comes to setting a record isn't feasible and giving out the information on your car compared to the times you ran cannot be looked at as an "excuse". That is absurd.

There are very few examples of any cars that are at the top of their field that aren't prepped better than the rest. It's a fact of racing. I agree that you can either get with the program or you can come in second.

I'm not crying, I have no reason to "cry", my cars are at the top of their fields most of the time, when they aren't I am either done with the project or making changes to get back there.

Actually I have a great example. Our black car, when we started with it we thought nobody would ever mutilate an EVO and turn it into a POS drag car. Well we were wrong and we fought making the car fast without lightening it. This allowed other shops to go faster than we did. We finally got pissed off at making excuses that our car was heavy, blah blah blah and we took some weight out and ran it. I think within the next month we had the record and since then it's gone back and forth with AMS (who also has no excuses.

 

quoted from curts website:

"Specs for both the GT35r and Stock Turbo runs:

Race weight is 2748 plus me, my helmet and laptop(2930)"

 

No, I have actually beat the AMS car many times. I don't remember the reasons why they said they lost all I remember is beating them. I was talking about the time when they came to E'town and were running high 9's and I beat them with my Evo that was then running 10's. I made it all the way to the final to face off against Big Valley Subaru that day.

 

I don't read it that way myself.

How can someone be getting a spot light who has not yet accomplshed anything of note?

I think the point of the thread was that dyno numbers don't mean anything if you dont have a time slip to back them up.

Al

 

The fact that people when out and mutilated Evos to make drag monstrosities is not shocking to me.

What shocks me is that 99.999 % of the Members on Evo M seem to not disntinqish or recognize that the weight of any Evo plays a huge part in how fast it goes down a 1.4 mile track.

In many cases the readers here seem to fixate on a NUMBER for example "8's" shop "X" rules FTW ! etc

For me I like to pay close attention to what has been done to the car to achieve the time

A car like David's RS that goes mid 9's is a lot more impressive to me that a fully gutted drag only car with lexan windows and plastic doors flying off going 8's - just my opinion.

As an inteligent and thoughtful man I like to as the following when considering the props to afford a so called record drag pass in an Evo

# 1 - How mutalated is the car and did it maintain enough equipment to qualify for any form of organized street racing?

# 2 - How reliable and repeatable is the number claimed? Is it a car which can only run a good time 1 out of 30 passes and the rest of the time either breaks or bogs and or miss fires and does not run well. A car that impressses me is a car which is consistant and reliable.

Hopefully in the future other members will consider more information than just the time obtained and look into other details such as how the car was prepared and how reliable it is.

Thanks

Al

 

Thank You Al well said

 

For what it's worth, David has his records on many previous cars to prove that he can drive a drag car. He now chooses to build and tune cars and let someone else do the driving. Credentials are never lost, they simply get surpassed by something else, building and tuning.

As for myself, I was running 9's in the 70's. I was KNOWN as one of the fastest shifters in my 'environment', such as would be known to day in the EVOM community. I don't think OKIX would even argue about the fact that I am still 'teaching' him how to drive the car. He hears the lessons after almost EVERY pass. He's an excellent student and reacts well to the 'critique'. The difference in weight between Tony and myself is about 50 lbs. About the weight of removing the air conditioner and putting on 2 lightweight Buschur Racing parts. Not a lot, but enough to show a .05 difference. Also, the OKIX car is HIS CAR. I just get the privilege of tuning it. My car is one of the ones that DB keeps saying he would have loved to see at the track. He built it and tuned it. It made 649 whp on HIS dyno. With that in mind, I could bring out my ' big-boy-shifting-glove' and crack off a 9. My credentials are 9,10,11 and 12 second cars and motorcycles, but that's not where I am at this time in my life. At my age of 57, I've been there and done that so many times that I now enjoy watching my son go through the paces. I'm there for the support of his passion. There's so much more to racing than just the driving that I can't even begin to address that issue. Suffice to say, "There's as much to prep, tuning and evaluation afterwards as there is to dumping the clutch and moving the shifter from gear to gear". Been there, done that. Ignorance of historical facts should not get in the way making posts that are true and respectful.

 

I don't wanna mention any names, but when all this companies were going or trying to have the record with the highest hp evo nobody have any problem with it, now somebody else is trying to and they get out of shape

 

It's not always the results that become an issue, but the approach to getting there. I never can recall anyone laughing at Sox and Martin, Don Garlits, Don Prudhomme, Grumpy Jenkins, etc etc. They were given their proper respect and the ones trying to break their records were humble and 'got there recognition' AFTER they deserved it, not before. I think that's GOT to be part of the problem. You don't step on the ones who are building the ladder taller. Soon, you may be at the top, but there's no one above you 'building the ladder higher.' We all should help build the ladder higher, but not step on the ones building the ladder. At some point in time, maybe even now, Paul and others will be known as the ladder builders, but it doesn't help when the initial approach was to step on the previous builders, regardless of whether they were liked or disliked.

As far as our 10 second 440whp car, We use stock ecu, maf, etc. The previous Green record was on an after market ecu. That information has been known for sometime, so I can only assume that this previous comment was due to a preconceived idea of our cars modifications as opposed to taking the time to actually read and understand previous posts. By the way, it also had air conditioning, carpet, pads, power steering, door crash beams, front crash beam, rear crash beam. Enough? It wasn't gutted. Pictures have proven that. With that said, to break records, we're going to get the car to 'apples to apples' so when the record falls, it will have been done on at least a close-to-the-same comparison.

By the way, when and IF the record falls, Curt Brown will still be and will always be the King of drivers. Our quest for his record is simply because he's the best. We have tremendous respect for his foot steps. Hopefully, someday, our record will fall to someone equally as respectful.

 

Big valley took alot of time to stage his car while you were staged bangin the limiter.Soon as you backed off it he staged and the pro tree dropped you were not ready.
Even the guy in the tower was saying that he was taking alot of time to stage and maybe playing a light game.It worked for him.If anyone has recorded the run can clearly hear the guy saying it from the tower.

 

Big Respect to Dave. He is right! Screw the Hippies who just want to put up bragging rights numbers. A dyno is supposed to be accurate. Just like friends if all they tell you is what you want to hear than what good are they.

 

midnightsuns, your words ring true! You don't have to like someone to respect what they've done and the difference shouldn't be confused. Placing false 'kudos' in posts are easily seen through and taken for intent. It would be much easier to do your own thing without saying over and over again, "Look at me and what me and my boys are doing". Genuine pride is one thing, stepping on toes is something else.

 

It is rather interesting when you read through this post to see the very people who post up so frequently about a their record dyno number or the related, now posting up to basically downplay others posting good numbers... and implying or even directly stating that those others have not accomplished anything.

How very hypocritical and despite the attempts to not sound like they are threatened by this or directly referencing who we all know they are, it reads pretty clearly.

On a side note... what power level agian was Al at when he was trapping in the 150's? I ask because I see it mentioned previously that Al dyno'd @Bushur in the 870 whp area on the Bushur dyno (which there is a video of online obviously) and then I see DB saying their car also is making roughly 875 whp on the same dyno and has trapped 172. Am I recalling this correctly or was there some typos in previous posts? Was weight the big factor then?

Funny you say that, who have we seen the "bragging rights" record setting dyno number posts coming from in the last few months. Sir "bro"... and "Master Bushur" seem to spring to mind for me... then agian I am just a guy who reads more than posts here.

 

I always thought Paul and the ETS and Lucas crew to be a pretty respectful bunch.

What in the world did they do to agitate people like this?

In fact I'd say in the world of big daddies and the up and comers... they've played their role with more tact and respect then others.

And I think EvoM, or at least the participants in the Engine forum, are pretty clued in and of course give more respect to those deserving. Dave has gotten a ton of respect from all he is accomplished in just the last year. I couldn't really see him and Buschur racing getting more props.

In other words, much ado about nothing here...

 

David is defending himself..which he really doesn't have to do imo but I don't blame him. With that being said, can't we just drop this bs lol. Buschur Racing enabled us ALL to be doing what we love with these cars starting with the dsm so lets leave this a fun sport with lots of passion involved...not bickering and fighting about whose dick is bigger (figurativley speaking ). I do agree with everything Dave has said in this thread and I am not a "Buschurracing sack swinger" myself. I have actually met Paul, Lucas etc and have never met Dave but if I held the position in the DSM/EVO world that Dave does (ther pioneer) and took the jabs that Paul has handed out to DaveB, you damn right I would jab RIGHT BACK and much harder. Come on guys...I personally think some people need to read and re read the first post in this thread and learn from it!