lol Crcain is funny with all his posts, always stirring the pot. In the end though, JMartinez is right. Quit crying over spilled milk, if certain vendors don't do their own R&D, and you aren't happy with it, get over it, and go find the vendors that are proven by both the R&D they have displayed as well as from other enthusiast experiences.

Its not that hard.

 

No, 94awdcoupe is Jerry Dombrowski from Tampa. Well over a decade of DSM experience with many custom project 4g63 vehicles.

dsm95hybrid was our personal screen name.

 

The consumer can choose to buy whatever they desire whether backed by dyno results subject to varying conditions, tuning and or seller ****ery.

The buyer is also welcome to purchase a product based on proven track results.

The buyer is also welcome to purchase a product based on their trust in their preferred vendor's reputation and solid advice history.

 

I have to agree that the amount of actual data for intercoolers is laughable.

Ask nearly any vendor/manufacturer the pressure drop or effectiveness of their intercooler and see the response you get.

Mind you, those two items are the cornerstones of intercooler performance. They are the sole reasons you upgrade.

Don't take this a slam on any vendor, it's just an observation. Intercooler testing is pretty simple, too. It doesn't require thousands of dollars of test equipment. It just requires a little forethought to ensure the data are of quality. I can help set up a test if anyone--including vendors--wants to do this.

 

what kind of testing are you looking for?

many products have been tested pretty thouroughly, however much of it gets discredited because the vendor compares their product against another one, and their product comes out on top. people claim that the test is biased.

additionally, i can agree that some tests/comparisons are not very legit. some comparisons are done with wildly different parameters other then whats being tested, that are left out from the description of the test/comparison until people start asking questions. for example, one test will be done with IC #1 on a tuned car, and then the comparison will be done with IC#2 on a tuned car with 2psi more boost.

 

I don't know if this is the type of information your looking for but:

http://www.nisei-evo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26

http://www.nisei-evo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25

http://www.niseiengineering.com/imag...sNiseiFMIC.pdf

Also, I don't know how long you guys have been memebers but there used to be a lot of information which did nothing but cause the vendors to fight!!!! alot!!!

Here is one thing tho, I don't agree that all intercoolers are made equal. The intercooler testing above is pretty old according to the post dates.

There was one crazy thread on here I'll look for it and if I find it I'll post.

 

Ok guys I found it. Now this is where "testing" went last time! If your old school you'll surely remember this thread.

It all started because of this thread: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=176499

Tip while reading: skip past the comments made by members/fanboys (at least most of them) and get to the "vendors" comments.

Remember: This thread is old and ONLY INVOLVES THE ORIGINAL VENDORS WHO WERE AROUND TO FIGHT IT OUT BACK THEN!

 

I knew it was one of them.

 

It's not just intercoolers.

It's turbo kits, intake manifolds, cylinder heads, etc...

Cosworth makes a cylinder head. Any back to back tests no other changes of a Cosworth head versus a stock head? This is just an example.

 

Cosworth gave flow numbers vs. a stock Evo head at one point. There is a chart floating around somewhere.

 

You see.


Most of the stuff your looking for has a review and info that you need. All you have to do is type in the key words. And even on the forsale by vendors threads mostly all have overview of the product. You are makeing this to big of a deal. Turbo kits have there specs and reviews on vendors sites and on here. Cams do as well. Intakes its a hit and miss with that some you see gain some you dont it all depends on car. Fuel pump's and fuel system setups all have reviews full blown, ams , br... Intercoolers have reviews, track times .... Coilovers all have specs that are listed. This could go on and on.

There is no point to review every single part that comes out becasue most of the new parts that come out key word ( MOST) are a copy of someones elses layout but in there own way. For ex. IC cores there are only so many companys that make cores, PT aka garrett, bell and the list goes on if you want to review a ic you have to look at flow rates of the core then look at the way the end caps are made. Make sure you got the right volume of space needed to insure you dont lose pressure. Thats but my point is dont be LAZY go to the sites see the product overview and buy it if you want if not move on or dont buy it.



90% of the people who buy $10,000 worth of performance products for there car know what they need and know where to get it from. The other 10% is the bolt on guys or guys that go to a shop and say i got this much to mod what can we do.

 

Here are all your vendor reviews this took me not even 10 mins to look up. I bet you if i where here longer i can dig up anything.




Inside a JAM shortblock.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=334949

Another new PUMP gas record, thanks Driven Innovations

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=326280

Buschur Racing tests the new HTA3076

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=332881

Intake manifold testing.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=322312


Inside a AMS 2.3RR engine

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=324067

New Redesigned AMS Evo Pistons

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=323811

*NEW AMS PRODUCT* AMS 2.3RR Engine Release

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=291105

Why our turbo kits Rock!

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=310298

Ams every time they come out with a product they have a product over view.

ETS has countless threads about there products

BR has countless reviews and track time of there products


Turbotrix has a wordpress on the Evo X which they update a few times a week.

http://www.turbotrix.com/wordpress/

*NEW TTP-Engineering spec pistons released!

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...light=cosworth

The list will go on and on. You get the point stop crying and get to SEARCHING.

 

Not only that....these companies DO THEIR TESTING. The reason not alot of it gets posted is because people call the test "biased" and it becomes a large **** tossing battle because someone who is making money off the product they are testing is posting the results.

You can't have it both ways. If you DO NOT trust the vendor's data, then why the hell are you asking for it. Just wait for non-biased people in the community to test the parts. Take it or leave it. Either that or test the stuff yourself.

 

I normally only buy competition proven parts, which is why (other than the fact that they are local to me) I run mostly AMS parts on my car. Any part that can survive a season of road-race domination is good in my book.

I also agree with jmartinez ... search the forums. So much information has been posted out there over the years. Tons of testing by DB alone. I think the only things that I haven't seen a lot of data on are some of the JDM parts (HKS, Jun, etc.). Although even here we're starting to see more info, as was seen in the recent intake manifold testing.

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The problem with getting numbers like this is its VERY expensive. I work in nuclear power, and everything we put in the plant needs detailed testing like this. We had to pay $5000 for a 40" x 40" x 12" stainless steel box. A pressure transmitter can run in the $10000 range. If something has to be independently qualified by a third-party testing company, the minimum that will run you is around $30000. On big systems that type of work can reach seven figures.

Mostly, the only thing these companies can do is throw the parts on their test mule and see what they do. If they make more power, good. If not, go back and change something and try again. There are no standards to test to, so how can you ask vendors to give you numbers comparable to their competitors?

The one thing I would like to see is a comparison from the stock part vs the replacement part in terms of things they are able to measure, especially weight. AMS I believe flow tests their intake manifolds... put the stock manifold on the bench too and let us see the differences. Stuff like that.