Do any of you know....

... how well an ETS intercooler performs?

... how well a Full Race GT40 spools?

... how well a JUN intake manifold performs versus an AMS drag manifold?

... how well an AMS 35R kit performs against a Buschur 35R kit?

... how well a 2.5" downpipe performs versus a 3" downpipe using an evo green?

Just some examples.

 

Sorry, It sounds like you are inferring that the companies you have listed above are examples of companies that do not test their products. Surely this is not the case. I know of at least one of them that does testing almost on a daily basis for the EVO community. Correct me if im wrong.

 

Now your to the point where your getting annoying.


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... how well a JUN intake manifold performs versus an AMS drag manifold?

or jokeing right please tell me you are. AMS drag manifold there is no more then 3 made from what we read. And the JUN intake manifold besides the fact it cost so much it take 2-6 months to get one made people dont just have this laying around. Even if they where to do that test it would be a very expensive test im sure if someone where to buy both it would cost around 5 grand. And thats pointless. Then your stuck with the one that didnt work well. And would have to sell it at a deep discount.


You really need to drop this. For the last time stop being lazy and search you have been a member since 02 act like it.

 

jmartinez why are you so against me asking questions in my own thread! Just relax. If you think Evo enthusiasts have all the information we need, then ok I'm cool with that. I disagree.

Take the test Buschur did of the old Magnus manifold. For YEARS people bought that manifold. Finally Buschur tested it. This is one example which proves my point so please don't tell me it's not a problem!

 

Your drawing conclusions from two seperate posts.

All I said in that post were examples of Evo consumers not being as informed as they could be. And yes Buschur could do a back to back on AMS 35R kit versus his own.

Does that mean Buschur is awful and I'm saying they don't test their own products. No it doesn't so please relax.

 

Sorry I thought you were staying on topic of your original post. Guess not.

 

I was just thinking... Buschur wouldn't do a back to back against an AMS turbo kit versus a Buschur one because I can only presume it would be in bad taste because the shops have a mutual respect for each other. I totally understand and applaud this. But in a sense, it prevents healthy competition in the marketplace.

Just a thought.

And please this thread is not an attack against anyone. All the companies in the market make great products and are really amazing at what they do. But I am saying more test data could be put forward.

 

IMHO you were reaching.

 

You have to look at it like what parts do people use that work, rather than this part vs that all time.

Example ams 35r vs buschur 35r why compare them back to back on a dyno there both proven and able to run 9 sec passes with the right driver and setup. i doubt either kit is gonna perform better or worse

If I want info on an ets intercooler i am going to search for posts with other evos running them and seeing what kind of numbers there getting and times there running. Look at Paul Nelson (ifarted2) he ran ets parts on his car and ran 9s.

Why is spool on a gt40 so important when your only putting a 40r or larger to drag race most likely.

A 3in dp works great on a stock turbo i'm sure it will be even more beneficial on a green which pushes more air.

Its impossible to test evry single part vs something else. it seems you don't get that.

Just my thoughts
Josh

 

Its impossible to test every single part vs something else. it seems you don't get that.


Thanks

Josh




I have to quote myself because i would love to know when i said all evo enthusiasts know everything there is to know. I dont see that if you can read (well i think you cant because you cant run a simple search) you would see i never said that.


Your pointless im sure others agree with me which they have so im done with this thread.

 

I just wanted to point out that I do a lot of testing since day one

Do a search under my screen name and see how many tests I have posted on these forums

I don't sell or recomend a part until and unless I have tested it

 

Are you sure you don't have anymore personal attacks?

Seriously, how do you feel about TYPING insults into a computer? What does this accomplish? Why not just state your point and leave the insults out?

 

Testing an intercooler isn't nearly as expensive as you're making it out to be. A NIST-certified differential pressure transducer is less than $150, and a couple of thermocouples are dirt cheap. This instrumentation has much higher accuracy and frequency response than anyone could dream of requiring for this testing, and can be used for a countless number of tests. In this respect, it is a (very cheap) investment.

Any shop with rudimentary fabrication skills (welding, cutting) and a dyno can set up and run a legitimate intercooler test within a matter of hours. Basically, any one of the dozen or so Evo vendors could do this.

The tricky part is to make sure the test is properly designed to give meaningful data, but this part is free. All it takes is some thought and planning.

 

I seem to remember some testing of cams which are not sold by, nor were purchased from, Buschur Racing. The results of the test proved that cams which ARE sold by Buschur Racing (HKS) made less power than those which I purchased directly from the supplier (JUN). It was also understood that Buschur Racing would supply the manpower to swap the cams, as well as the dyno time. At current rates of $150/hr X 2 days (or as much as needed, which ended up being about 10 hours total), David Buschur 'donated' $1,500 in dyno time alone to the cause. Daniel Buschur donated at least 3 hours of his own productive time to the cause. I would imagine the cam swap certainly was worth $300. Daniel was prepared to do another swap, but my time was cut short. That's $1,800 minimum to the cause of having a 3rd party (me) test outside products. The test, as you well remember involved JUN and HKS 272 cams. This certainly wasn't for the benefit of Buschur Racing. It was to my benefit and my fellow EvoM'ers. If someone doesn't feel that a product is tested and proven, I challenge you to step up to the plate and get into the batters box. We all have certain abilities to lend to the testing process. I, for one, like to see products tested by someone other than the vendors. It lends even more credence to the value of what we're purchasing. Not all products can be 'tested on a bench'. Some require street use and race environments to fully understand the plus and minus of the product. That's what WE'RE for, the exchange of our results and testing. Don't leave everything up to the vendors. Testing and logging should sometimes be left for our own reviews. By doing ourselves, it allows those of us to either dismiss the 'nutswingers' comments, or acknowledge the results of impartial parties.

 

BR, AMS and Dynoflash do test alot... if you can't find something in one forum,,, go look at the company's webpage... BR forums have a lot of testing on them!

or... search more than once... try a few different words...

or look for track times from cars.... notice that a lot of the faster cars, use the same parts....



OR!! BETTER YET < STOP INSTIGATING AND DO YOUR OWN TESTING !!!

problem solved...