crcain, I am hoping that obviously this thread is not directed in anyway towards Buschur Racing. I am in agreement with you that too many people just sell parts and do not properly test them. We are not one of those shops. A simple search will show that we've posted results for everything from our air filters to our cams since we started with the EVO in 2003. There is actually 19 years of testing parts, one piece at a time behind my company. Before we owned a dyno they were tested on the race track. I am constantly on a quest to find the absolute best performing part that I can use, sell or design, constantly.

otisboss, thank you for some support in your post on page 1. With that said though some of the points you pointed out are actually not correct when it comes to us. If you go to our website and to the forums you will find a big thread on turbo/FMIC testing that has temp increases, lag, peak boost etc all listed for a lot of different combinations we have seen and tested. The list grows each time I do a test on a new part.

We also have a thread about weights of different parts. The rotors you brought up we did dyno testing on and have listed weights and all kinds of data on those too.

We have tested all of our parts for the EVO X that we have released to date and I started a thread about the weight of each part over in the EVO X section too.

I think we are the exception to what this thread is about.

 

Just for crcain im going to make a thread on vendor testing and product info tonight when i get home and ask to make it a sticky. Im going to go as far back as 03 for this info. Should be a fun night.

 

Dave does countless amounts of testing and that has been very apparent on these forums for a long time.

Full-Race probably puts more engineering into there manifolds than anyone else and if I were them I would not want to release any insight into what they are doing. Results of there kits are around you just need to look.

Or you can buy some products and test them yourself? That is always an option.


Mitch M

 

The point that was made about us testing our GT35r kit against AMS's was correct. I am not going to do a test such as that and I would think AMS would not either. Our two companies are two close to each other and doing such a test and picking a winner would surely cause some hard feelings. Even doing the intake manifold testing I conducted was a rough test for me to do.

I can tell you that the quickest/fastest GT35r to date was on Curt's car and he had an AMS kit. That tells me I don't need to test it directly as I know it works. Since my car on DOT's at much more weight than Curt's car was has gone 9.6 at 151 I can tell you that our kit works too. These are two parts that are known to work well, no reason as far as I can see to test them against each other.

There are times when testing needs to be done. If you look at the turbo/intercooler thread on our site you can see when I feel the need to post results of certain parts. Some vary by a large margin. Intercoolers are one of the biggest.

This week I have so far spent my time doing more intake manifold testing. I am going back over my previous testing and just changing to 3" throttle bodies now. It's a ton of work and time, just to see for myself what changes it all makes.

The car is now sitting waiting to test two new sets of cams I have here. I have tested in the past already the stock cams, HKS 264, HKS 272 and HKS280's back to back. I then tested the HKS 280's against the Revolvers. The Revolvers were then tested against the FP3 EVO cams, those against the Juns' and Tomei's. We then developed our own cam. Now I have two more cam grinds to test against our current cam. Honestly, I am hoping for a new winner, be nice to find even more power than we are making now. Cam testing is this week.

It's a never ending process to stay on top. You can't sit still. There also comes a time when just doing what everyone else is doing is stupid and throwing a larger turbo on the car everytime you want to go faster is even dumber.

 

David, I'm certain that crcain wasn't talking about Buschur Racing when he mentioned the 'lack of testing' statement. It's not even possible. I do think, however, that it puts an onus squarely on other vendors to at least give dyno results of before and after as compared to stock parts. Then, the customer at least has something to compare back to. Thanks for all of your testing. There's only so much that one company and person can do. Not all of the testing of everything Evo can be left to one person.

 

Never in a million years was I accusing of Buschur of not testing the products he sells. For everyone telling me that I'm full of ****, why don't you compare the testing Buschur does and apply that standard to other vendors. Then maybe you guys will stop telling me I'm b!tching and realize I'm just making an honest point.

For the money I've put into my Evo 6 I could buy a X and modify it a BUNCH. So I have the right to demand better testing of products. All you people telling me I don't are the ones whining.

 

Maybe the point of this thread is about the "why." When most shops do testing, they are testing the "what." Testing the why is usually more involved, and won't necessarily translate into sales which is why many (understandably) don't do much in this arena.

For example (at least on EvoM), when a turbo is tested, I have never seen pressure measured before and after the turbo. This would help people understand the "why" a turbo does something. The "what" is typically as easy as getting dyno numbers.

 

It's official... I'm in an alternate universe where black is white and jmartinez's project Evo just beat Buschur and AMS.

 

crcain, FWIW, I saw your point when you posted it. Sometimes, the meaning and intentions gets lost in our posts. Just saying 'product A is better than product B' without the 'meat and potatoes' is lacking. I see your point for it's intentions.

 

Since most folks don't have enough money to buy every turbo kit invented and have them back to back tested on the same car, you have to take what you can get.

 

All you want to do is to get this thread to go at this point. Like your last thread.


All the testing and product review ill be that guy and make a thread not just for you but all im sure there are alot of people out there that havent seen threads from 03-05 just as a ex. Ill look everywhere from here to vendor forums.

 

what the heck does this mean? Why are you quoting me? I referred you to several shops with open fourms that test alot....

if you want more than that,,, test it yourself! what testing can you show with your evo 6? you put so much money into it,, you must have done some esearch right? Or did you just write checks for parts with pretty names???

this thread is pointless and serves no purpose other than to instigate and arguement....

 

I quoted you because your solution of testing parts myself I found to be out of this world.

You obviously disagree with me, and thats your perogative. End of story. That is ok. I'm not going to attack you or say things that are offensive to you. Take care and have a good day.

 

jmartinez, put together a thread with links from other threads with testing. i have a few you can add to the list.