Ivan,
No I havent tried HHO. And I do believe the Claims being made are being inflated. realistically the claim should be 10%-20% better fuel economy.

Here is a post from someone who is not selling anything:
Half Water, Half Gas. A Scam?
No it isnt.

I know this because 2 weeks ago I ordered the info ($60 bux, I thought wtf)
and this last weekend watched my GPH (Gallons Per Hour) meter on my boat show less than it has ever shown before.

My boat has a 75 gallon tank. DO THAT MATH BOYS @ $4.75 a gallon.....

I made a HHO generator and installed it on the GM 454 350hp V8 and witnessed an improvement of about 12% on range.

http://halfwaterhalfgas.com/

Go there and read. Consider the savings and make an informed decision.

Google search it, and read the 'is it a scam?' posts and threads. Search Youtube for other guys that have installed it, made video's and you determine if it is working or not.

Hydrogen generators are simple and effective. With the proof I personally witnessed this last weekend on my fuel slurping floating RV, I'm going to install one in my wifes commuter car (and she asked if one could be installed on her Yamaha Zuma). I think its worthy of the time and effort to really do it nicely to ensure a quality, long lasting installation.

Check it out guys..... spend the money you save wisely.

 

http://www.gethydropower.com/gallery.html

Gorilla hydrogen cells HHO generators to diesel trucks. They have units that draw 20amps and they have units for large trucks that draw 80 amps.

You really need to check the website out. The big units cost $4500. They sell them to fleet vehicles and cant make them fast enough.

I know if I sold something for 4500 that cost about 700 in materials and it didnt work I wouldnt be worried about law suits. I would be worried about an attempt on my life.

Its not a scam. The stuff works. You just arent looking in the right places.

 

Watch this http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=84561

Hydrogen power does look promising...I don't know enough about this technology or the Zero Point Energy as i would like too...But i will spend some time reading up on them in the next few weeks.

 

Stanley Meyers was SCAMMING people out of money. He took peoples money telling them they would be dealers of the autos he was going to produce. He was sued and was found GUILTY of fraud. Can you prove he was running 10w into his machine? No, you cant.

You can NOT extract more energy out of something than what you put in. If you could, then this would be the answer that everyone is looking for. This is the simple key to understanding why this wont work. I dont need to try one to know if it will or wont work just like I dont have to hit myself in the head with a hammer to tell me it will or wont hurt.

There is a huge amount of info about stan. yes it is true he was pulled into court and sued and lost. But that is just a small picture of his life.

Stan was already a million air. He didnt need to scam people for money. He was offered 1billion cold cash to sit on his water powered car patents. He refused. He was more interested in seeing his dream of the energy crisis solved.

I dont know all that happened but it is very obvious to me the oil industry has a vested interest in protecting their 3 trillion $ a year oil sales. They will stop at nothing to keep new technologies that would undermind their sales or worse one that will bring it to a screeetching halt. It is childs play for those with the power to throw lawsuits at stan and make them stick.

After the attempts at tarnishing his rep failed they poisoned him. seems pretty drastic for something that doesnt work.

 

Both of those quotes from a place that is SELLING SOMETHING.

Please take the time to read THIS website. This website was created by a guy that is a LOT smarter than either of us. To give you an idea, he built a cruise missile in his spare time!!! He is not selling anything. He is trying to educate people about this scam and keep them from wasting their hard earned money.

I am not going to argue this point with you anymore. Here are the facts:

Yes, you can lean out your car and get better gas mileage. This in turn will be damaging to your motor (high temps) and will increase emissions killing the environment. It does NOT take HHO to do this.

A 300 watt HHO generator running at 100% efficiency converts about half a HP of energy from the alternator to HHO. Burning that HHO in an ICE (internal combustion engine) which is about 25% efficient will net you around an eighth of a HP out of the HHO. You just lost three eighths of a HP burning it in the motor. Factor in the that it took about a half a HP from the motor (two HP worth of fuel) to run the alternator and now you have even more losses. Understanding that the alternator and the HHO generator are not 100% efficient you can see the losses would be even more.

 

How did the "oil industry" stop manufacturers from making cars that run on E85? Electric? Hybrids? Hydrogen?????

 

Reuters also reported THIS

Forget about powering a car with water. According to the "claims" of Genepax, you can drive the car at 80kph for an hour on a liter of water. Lets say it takes 10 HP to do this. That would equate to 7460 watts of energy. The average 3 bedroom 2 story house consumes about 50,000 watts of energy in a day. This equates to about 3 HP an hour. This would mean you could power your house for an hour with 1/3 of a liter of water an hour. 8 liters of water to power your house all day long. Two flushes of your toilet and you no longer have an electricity bill. convert your heat, water heater and stove to electric and flush four times and your set!!! No more natural gas bill.

One 10 minuet shower and you can convert that water to 3778 miles driven in your Genepax car. Now we no longer need oil. We can pull out of the middle east and stop killing ourselves and others.

If it were true, this would revolutionize the world. Nobody would be talking about anything but this.

 

They are still selling the energy with all those.

The quote I gave you from half water half gas was from an individual not from someone selling something. He was simply sharing on another board such as this. The generator was purchased for 400$. He saw a 12% improvement without tampering with fuel system . he was just trying to help others who were on the fence about whether it works or not.

If you want to believe its a scam thats your right. but dont call me a liar. I am not selling anything on here either.

That link you posted is a another bad joke. I am not going to spend two hours of my time correcting the math.

 

So they just pick on the HHO guys then?

You have proof of this? Or was it just somebody that benefits from the sales that posted that up?

I did not call you a liar. I am saying that your belief that this works is unfounded. You have zero proof that this works. The laws of science says it wont. Science > YouTube videos.

Please don't bother with the math. Instead, spend some money on instructions or a system and prove him wrong. You can get a MILLION dollars off him for just showing 25% reduction in fuel consumption with no ill effects on the motor or emissions.

 

You should do some research. To start read:

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html

The gas production has the potential to give you 10 to 20 % more power without increasing your boost levels. on my evo on 91 oct I went from 329 Hp on a Mustang dyno to 391 on pump gas.

Check it out.
this link

http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/

 

There is no arguing that you can use electrolysis to separate hydrogen and oxygen from water. You cant however use the alternator on your car to do this and then expect to get more energy in return when you burn the gases produced in your motor.

Proof of said claims?

Yet another scammer selling a product that wont work to people.

 

FUELLESS HEATER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw&NR=1

Although its not hydrogen technology, more energy is created than being put in the motor. "Up to 70% more energy out than in."

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32ERu9h9vIU

This guy has a deal going with auto maker and the US government. But it doesnt say if more energy is created than put in.

 

The guys over at MIT are also working on hydrogen boosted system for automobile use. I guess they are out to scam people too. Because Ivan has made it so clear you cant get any gains from adding a small amount of hydrogen to the combustion process.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/how-a-...ine-works1.htm

 

I already posted those vids and many others. look at post #96. It quite obvious water holds the solution to the energy crisis. Its also obvious the energy cartel holds the cards to who and when such technolgies will be allowed to reach the market.