hmmm

edit: your MD is very odd and thats all I got to say

 

of course MD calbrated the dyno who else would calibrate it dynojet employees??
Its not a bad thing it reads a lil high but it does....theres no way these cars would put down the same on buschurs dyno....there are high reading mustang dynos out there TTP is not the only one

 

Buschur's Dyno is an older model and he uses a 60% smoothing factor.

 

Please take these comment likely, I mean the utmost respect and only am posting my personal opinions and observations based on the data provided on this forum.

Look, I really really really did not mean this to turn into a flamefest, especially towards you guys. Like I have mentioned in every post here, you do good work, put out good builds, etc. I have seen multiple cars with WAY maxed out IX turbos make sub 400whp, yet you guys put down almost 450 on your dyno with similar builds. If it were 20, I'd say, 'damn, taht's good power!' ...But 50whp? That is a LOT of power, and can only be explained by a high reading dyno.

What does a STOCK evo VIII or IX put down on your dyno?

You don't have to be defensive about any of this, honestly, I do not mean to flame but only answer the OP's question about dynos reading differently (as is widely known).

Please do not take this the wrong way, but if I discredit myself with every post, why then did you re-check the calibration of your dyno after this was brought up? Was there not a thought that went through someone's mind (even briefly) that yes, maybe it does read a little high compared to the average Mustang dyno?


No rumors, just my personal observations based on the data I've seen. What cars, and what dynojet dyno? I think your average mustang actually is closer to 12-14% lower than your average dynojet.


All this talk of 'averages' really supports everything I'm saying here. All dynos read differently.

 

Because we do not discredit ourselves with each post. We check our facts before posting and in this case included checking the calibration of the unit and eddy current brake prior to responding.

We have also spoken to Mustang about how to slow down 60' times on the drag racing module to replicate the use of street tires.

 

Okee, please stop flaming back at me about this discrediting business, it makes no sense. What we really want to know is, what does a stock evo put down on your dyno?

 

Thanks Manie. Your car aint too shabby

 

Who actually has a stock Evo?


Anyone within the state of FL has so many shops to go to, good luck finding a stock VIII or a IX.


Here's something to think of: Maybe the cars are putting down more AWHP than other cars with the same or more mods, just because of the tune? I chose my tuner for a reason bro


Everyone needs to stop the flaming of this dyno. It's getting ridiculous. If people are butt hurt because those with less or the same mods are making more power, they need to step their games up.

 

That's a poor response. It's smart to dyno when stock so that you know how much you've gained as opposed to an arbitrary final number that tells you very little. I dyno'd in stock form before modding, because I had the foresight to think of this. I have then dyno'd after almost every set of mods to see gains then measure those gains at the drag strip - it helps immensely.

Sure, the cars can be putting down good power due to great parts/tuning, but the point is that if stock cars dyno 250-260 instead of 215-220 like on others, then it says something. I put down 248whp in stock form on a Dynojet, for example, so knowing what stock cars put down is a very valuable reference, which is why Scheides mentioned it. There's also a difference between dyno'ing cars in 3rd and doing them in 4th/5th plus using the correction factor vs not using it. Numbers like this are arbitrary. People are not flaming the dyno - they are just questioning the claim that it reads as low as other MDs when it cleary doesn't. There's nothing wrong with that, but some people continue to fight it with reckless abandon.

 

Well, it's a new dyno and because the people that go over there for some tuning or a run on the dyno are mostly his old customers, he probably doesn't have the numbers for a stock evo 8 or 9. What he does have is the numbers for a stock evo x/MR.

All dynos read different so why there is so much emphasis on how much does an stock evo 8 or 9 is putting down on a dyno. The only thing we are looking for here is what the car put down before and after the work was done and then back those numbers up at the track.

Would you like his dyno to read like buschur's, lower than buschur's, hell....let's make all the dynos read like buschur's cuz it seems that his is the only mustang dyno in the U.S that reads correctly. Maybe the technicians and the computer programmers down at the mustang dyno factory (wherever that is) are smoking something.

Accept the facts, one dyno is going to read differently that the next door dyno, whether there was a change in humidity, a good gas tank, or the smoothing factor is lower than you're use to see, it's not the same conditions and there are so many variables that changes that it's better you go to some website/expert that can explain it better than me.

Of course, stock numbers will be very close to each other on the same dyno type, from 0-20/25 hp difference, but once you start modding the gap will increase and there's no guarantee that you will get the same exact numbers on every vehicle.

Here's a quote from wikipedia: "Drag racing: Horsepower and torque figures are a strong predictor but do not guarantee a specific 0-60 mph or 1/4 mile elapsed time (ET). An engine accelerating in a vehicle experiences different conditions than on a dyno. G forces and different temperatures as well as different modes of vibration in a vehicle can cause significant differences in power output. When attempting to crosscheck dynamometer power figures to drag strip performance, it is relatively consistent to compare improved brake hp figures to terminal MPH."

That should explain it all IMO.

 

I cant believe there hasn't been one stock or near-stock car on either of those dynos. Someone must have gone in for just a tune on an otherwise stock car, run #1 should show the results I was asking about

TTP, what does a stock car put down on your dyno?

 

Orlando is the modified Evo capital of the world. Who dyno's a stock car?

If you were to have your car modified and tuned you would likely put the car on the lift, install the parts, run a baseline with mods and then optimized with a flash. Printout before and after.

I have yet to get a call on the phone from an Evo owner saying "I bought a stock Evo and was dying to get it dynoed to see what it puts down stock."

 

Exactly, who the hell wants to know what their stock Evo puts down for power and torque???

As stated above, all that matters is the difference between the after dyno tune numbers and the before base run. That difference is calculating the gain of the tune. Whether a dyno reads low or high, the before and after run are both done on the same rollers and what really matters is the overall gain. Until someone runs their car on TTP's dyno, then ships their car to Buschurs with the exact same mods and tune, stop saying it's a high reading dyno. You have no factual proof and you're just spreading a rumor now...

War, I don't think my posts are poor, you just don't agree with them I see what your years of experience has netted you...

 

That's cool, how about a basic IX with TBE + MBC + tune?

 

^^ I doubt even that exists.