383 WHP with no bottle or piggyback!
Originally posted by MMLVMM
Alfriedesq:
Nothing wrong with showing appreciation. Being negative though, sucks. Don't tarnish the dream that is a highly modded evo with your ignorance
Mark
Alfriedesq:
Nothing wrong with showing appreciation. Being negative though, sucks. Don't tarnish the dream that is a highly modded evo with your ignorance
Mark
Re: just because you read some post that says you got to have 20000 cc injectors...
Originally posted by MMLVMM
First of all, just because you read some post that says you got to have 20000 cc injectors and a nuclear powered fuel pump doesn't make it true.
Also, read the post because I clearly mentioned the fuel cut defender.
The car is incredible and has years of performance upgrades and sound engineering behind it. Evo's are seriously overengineered in many areas(except the clutch)
This car is not a suburu!
My car ran what it ran and you are obviously not an automotive design engineer or actually spoken to one about your numbers... otherwise you wouldn't pass off garbage for info.
Yes, Bigger injectors may help at higher levels but I only pulled 383.2 WHP. It did that before my own two eyes.
The shop's silver evo pulled 407 at the wheels with the GT40, exhaust, avo intercooler blitz intake and the STOCK INJECTORS AND FUEL PUMP!
That is what inpired me to do the gt40 in the first place. I am planning to go to 700cc size and a bosch pump for long term reliability. Look at the chart- it pulls linear right to 6700 at 1.6 bar with no signs yet of choking from a lack of fuel.
Lots of stuff is pushed in the name of performance on ignorant types... kind of like unneccesary car repairs or surgury.
That's why you need a reputable shop with a dyno to sort the cherrys from the pits and stay away from bs like you are spouting out
Mark
First of all, just because you read some post that says you got to have 20000 cc injectors and a nuclear powered fuel pump doesn't make it true.
Also, read the post because I clearly mentioned the fuel cut defender.
The car is incredible and has years of performance upgrades and sound engineering behind it. Evo's are seriously overengineered in many areas(except the clutch)
This car is not a suburu!
My car ran what it ran and you are obviously not an automotive design engineer or actually spoken to one about your numbers... otherwise you wouldn't pass off garbage for info.
Yes, Bigger injectors may help at higher levels but I only pulled 383.2 WHP. It did that before my own two eyes.
The shop's silver evo pulled 407 at the wheels with the GT40, exhaust, avo intercooler blitz intake and the STOCK INJECTORS AND FUEL PUMP!
That is what inpired me to do the gt40 in the first place. I am planning to go to 700cc size and a bosch pump for long term reliability. Look at the chart- it pulls linear right to 6700 at 1.6 bar with no signs yet of choking from a lack of fuel.
Lots of stuff is pushed in the name of performance on ignorant types... kind of like unneccesary car repairs or surgury.
That's why you need a reputable shop with a dyno to sort the cherrys from the pits and stay away from bs like you are spouting out
Mark
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no one has a monopoly on good ideas...
Al,
That fine if you have some rationale for your mods, your car is putting out some real power right!
I am just saying the reality of the situation is different than your assumptions... My car is doing what is it is doing on the dyno- why rag in the first place? It is silly to dispute a straight forward result just because it is different than your flawed assumption.
I am done with this- good luck on your car and I hope you are willing to learn that no one has a monopoly on good ideas...
That fine if you have some rationale for your mods, your car is putting out some real power right!
I am just saying the reality of the situation is different than your assumptions... My car is doing what is it is doing on the dyno- why rag in the first place? It is silly to dispute a straight forward result just because it is different than your flawed assumption.
I am done with this- good luck on your car and I hope you are willing to learn that no one has a monopoly on good ideas...
Last edited by MMLVMM; Sep 10, 2003 at 07:22 AM.
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Re: just because you read some post that says you got to have 20000 cc injectors...
Originally posted by MMLVMM
First of all, just because you read some post that says you got to have 20000 cc injectors and a nuclear powered fuel pump doesn't make it true.
Also, read the post because I clearly mentioned the fuel cut defender.
First of all, just because you read some post that says you got to have 20000 cc injectors and a nuclear powered fuel pump doesn't make it true.
Also, read the post because I clearly mentioned the fuel cut defender.
What was the duty cycle of your injectors when you made that power?
Re: no one has a monopoly on good ideas...
Originally posted by MMLVMM
Al,
That fine if you have some rationale for your mods, your car is putting out some real power right!
I am just saying the reality of the situation is different than your assumptions... My car is doing what is it is doing on the dyno- why rag in the first place? It is silly to dispute a straight forward result just because it is different than your flawed assumption.
I am done with this- good luck on your car and I hope you are willing to learn that no one has a monopoly on good ideas...
Al,
That fine if you have some rationale for your mods, your car is putting out some real power right!
I am just saying the reality of the situation is different than your assumptions... My car is doing what is it is doing on the dyno- why rag in the first place? It is silly to dispute a straight forward result just because it is different than your flawed assumption.
I am done with this- good luck on your car and I hope you are willing to learn that no one has a monopoly on good ideas...
I don't understand why you are taking offense - obviously you are defensive - - if you don't think I am giving good advice then dont listen
You can't SAFELY mnake that mind of power on the stock fuel system and your comments about the evo design are not accurate - I disagree
Best of luck
I saw this car personally at our last SoCalEvo.net meet and it was incredible. I also wondered why there were no fuel or timing mods done. All he has in a Hallman MBC to control it. 400 WHP is pretty amazing I think for having everything bolted on and an MBC as your only controller. Once he gets it tuned it should be really nice. The car sounded really mean and agressive.
Here's a pic of the intercooler:
http://www.socalevo.net/gallery/phot...ach/meet6.html
The red evo on the left:
http://www.socalevo.net/gallery/phot...ch/meet12.html
Great job mark! Really looking forward to seeing the finished product.
Here's a pic of the intercooler:
http://www.socalevo.net/gallery/phot...ach/meet6.html
The red evo on the left:
http://www.socalevo.net/gallery/phot...ch/meet12.html
Great job mark! Really looking forward to seeing the finished product.
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I am realy sorry guys, but I think your figures have been corrected to flywheel HP. I have been tuning Evo's since E2's. The injectors and fuel pump will not deliver enough fuel for the figures that you believe that you have. They will just make approx 380hp flywheel (depending on dyno, correction factor etc). If you look at the raw data in red, the correction is too much for just baro and air temp correction.
What does a stock EVO make on the Brainstorm Dyno? I think the answer would help settle this...
Edit: I see the stock #'s 236hp/239lbft, that's higher than most. So could that explain the 20-30hp extra that is in question?
Edit: I see the stock #'s 236hp/239lbft, that's higher than most. So could that explain the 20-30hp extra that is in question?
Last edited by chronohunter; Sep 10, 2003 at 12:42 PM.
Mark,
I think he does have an evo...
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=37683
I think he does have an evo...
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=37683
Originally posted by MMLVMM
Alfriedesq:
I guess I am puzzled about some things:
a) you got an evo right?
Alfriedesq:
I guess I am puzzled about some things:
a) you got an evo right?
Originally posted by littlefella
I am realy sorry guys, but I think your figures have been corrected to flywheel HP. I have been tuning Evo's since E2's. The injectors and fuel pump will not deliver enough fuel for the figures that you believe that you have. They will just make approx 380hp flywheel (depending on dyno, correction factor etc). If you look at the raw data in red, the correction is too much for just baro and air temp correction.
I am realy sorry guys, but I think your figures have been corrected to flywheel HP. I have been tuning Evo's since E2's. The injectors and fuel pump will not deliver enough fuel for the figures that you believe that you have. They will just make approx 380hp flywheel (depending on dyno, correction factor etc). If you look at the raw data in red, the correction is too much for just baro and air temp correction.
There are lots of things you can do - but doing it over the long term is not adviseable
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Originally posted by MMLVMM
FYI, the thing is that the motor is running so rich that I could of easily run 2 pounds more and been well over 400 at the wheels.
I just thought I will wait for the computer to do it right. I am not worried about 1.6 bar for the short term with the current a/f levels.
Mark
FYI, the thing is that the motor is running so rich that I could of easily run 2 pounds more and been well over 400 at the wheels.
I just thought I will wait for the computer to do it right. I am not worried about 1.6 bar for the short term with the current a/f levels.
Mark