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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 1000AWHP
Hello everyone! I FINALLY got an Evo, I'v been waiting for years...Anyways, I was wondering if it was possible to make near 500whp (PUMP GAS) w/o having to spend millions... I was looking at the FP red! Forced Performance said with the right mods that turbo could be really close...
2003 Mitsubishi Evo:
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AMS Intercooler
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Those were the main components...Do you guys think its possible?? I dont want to spend all that money on a certain plan if its only going to make me 400whp... Thanks for any info you might have!!
500awhp on 93 octane isn't hard at all, you just need the right combination of parts and a slick tune.

I'd trade the Red for a HTA86
you'll also need some great cams and a clutch

500awhp is right on the limit of PTE 1000cc injectors and a single walbro, might make sense to step up to the double pumper in case you end up wanting more than that.

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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 06:59 AM
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Nice thread ...
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 07:20 AM
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Buschur parts will get u 500hp
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 07:27 AM
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Great! Nice feedback...Iv done my fair share of researching, but the outcome was anywhere from a 200 shot of nitrous, to having to fully build w/ t88 race gas and MAAAAAYBE ill get there...Some people have better results than others, so i like to hear its easily doable by at least a few...I live in Miami now, but soon ill be back in Naples; no E85 there...I had a civic w/ 480whp, so I kno what the power feels like. I bought this car cuz I wanted something FAST that I didnt have to fully build. Just a bigger turbo, fuel, and a sick tune to make me lots of power. Iv driven a Green'd evo w/ 400whp and it just wasnt enough! I know 500whp can be done with a stock motor and minimal mods(under $10k), just gotta find the right combination and the right tuner...
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 09:16 AM
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If the guy wants an easy 500 WHP from his VIII, on 93 octane(w/o Meth or E85), from the stock longblock(unported head), on the factory ECU...then the FP Red isn`t going to do it for him. He`ll need something like an HTA-35 turbo, a large FMIC, the appropriate cams, etc.

The Red is good, but any way you slice it, on straight pump gas, it will fall about 60-70 horsepower short of 500.

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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 09:24 AM
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sparky
If the guy wants 500 WHP from his VIII, on 93 octane(w/o Meth or E85), from the stock longblock(unported head), on the factory ECU...then the FP Red isn`t going to do it for him. He`ll need something like an HTA-35 turbo, a large FMIC, the appropriate cams, etc.

The Red is good, but on straight pump gas it will fall about 70 horsepower short of 500.
We have done 450whp on pump gas with a red and bolt ons and didnt really push it hard.. E-85 would be cake to make 500 and on AEM or Haltech we would have no problem hitting ~480whp on pump i am sure..

Mike
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 1000AWHP
Wow, thanks for all the feedback so quickly! I see a few of you advise E85, but where I live we dont have that...I kinda wanna refrain from using meth too. I saw an evo w/ 627whp on 93oct w/ a 35r! How the F*** is that possible?? Thats like 200 more than the normal!
thats cos it was probably the NY bad bish...thats easy why B-U-S-C-H-U-R Racing
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 09:29 AM
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I think 500 is doable on the Red on 93...I have a customer at 471 (DLL) on the stock head. I think a BR stage 3 head and better cams would put him at 500+. It would be much easier with a HTA 35R or HTA86 and offer much more with head work or higher octanes.
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Mellon Tuning
I think 500 is doable on the Red on 93...I have a customer at 471 (DLL) on the stock head. I think a BR stage 3 head and better cams would put him at 500+. It would be much easier with a HTA 35R or HTA86 and offer much more with head work or higher octanes.

You and I both know the 470whp Red car will beat the 500whp 35r or hta 86 car all day.. Unless of course you run EXACTLY the MPH you need to run at in the 35r car.. Every other way the Red will have it covered..

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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports
You and I both know the 470whp Red car will beat the 500whp 35r or hta 86 car all day.. Unless of course you run EXACTLY the MPH you need to run at in the 35r car.. Every other way the Red will have it covered..

Mike
I think it would be a driver's race. From a roll any decent 35R driver would know enough to be at 5000rpm and standing on the brake/gas before taking off. From a dig the 35R shouldn't ever see less that 6500rpm if it's driven properly. On a autox course the Red should out perform hands down. On a road course that would be likely be in the Red favor as well due to the quicker spool and exit speed.

either would be fun as hell.
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports
We have done 450whp on pump gas with a red and bolt ons and didnt really push it hard.. E-85 would be cake to make 500 and on AEM or Haltech we would have no problem hitting ~480whp on pump i am sure.. Mike
I like the Red, and even more so now that you tuners have had more time to familiarize yourselves with it and are able to extract more power from it on pump gas. 450ish on pump, with the factory ECU, is great!

I remember that when The Red first came out we were seeing numbers about 30-40 higher than were possible from the Green on pump. So, now I agree with you that the Red makes the most sense for wringing power out of a stock motor on pumpgas. It is clearly a superior turbo choice for the average Joe. Thanks, Mike

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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mellon Tuning
I think 500 is doable on the Red on 93...I have a customer at 471 (DLL) on the stock head.....
Is this on an VIII, or a IX, Chris? Either way though, 470 DLL on 93 is quite impressive. What was the boost level( about 28 PSI?)?

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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sparky
Is this on an VIII, or a IX, Chris? Either way though, 470 DLL on 93 is quite impressive. What was the boost level( about 28 PSI?)?
IX @ 30psi
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 10:24 AM
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That`s impressive!!!!!!!!!!
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