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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by YoungMoolah
i was expecting alot more on race gas with the BBK
On the same dyno, the FP Green did not perform as well. It has already been stated that this thing will not put down numbers like the FP Red and is most at home on pump gas. I am very happy that it puts down more horsepower up top than the FP Green on my old EVO and spools better too. A full weight EVO with these dyno numbers will trap mid 120's in the quarter. What were your expectations?
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 02:09 PM
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Power delivery Trev.. right?

Can't wait to see everyone this fall at the Shootout! I'm assuming you'll be there, right?
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CBRD_Caleb
Power delivery Trev.. right?

Can't wait to see everyone this fall at the Shootout! I'm assuming you'll be there, right?
Exactly! Power delivery and transient response

Planning to be at the Shootout. Looking forward to meeting you Probably will bring the Genesis this year though as the Magnum has an appetite for transfer cases when being drag raced
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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Meet me? I spent most of the shootout with you last year! This is Caleb fool!

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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 03:51 PM
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Yes, we have E85 all over Wisconsin. I would be using it in the Magnum but I want every last bit of horsepower I can get. If it was more of a street car, there is no doubt that I would be running it!
well, that's exactly why i asked! check this topic: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...91oct-e85.html

445whp, also on a mustang dyno, similar mod path as yours.
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 04:07 PM
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It made 418whp, 425 tq on a 2.0L, Green, and E85 - but the spread was not as wide as on the current setup. . .

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...evo-green.html

I keep track of this kind of thing
thats interesting. I would choose the green power band. More power sooner. Good bit more in the 4500-5500 range. I am only seeing a 8 HP gain with the BBK and it sacrifices too much power under curve early on. looses 15tq. But they are really close either way I would be happy with that car
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 04:13 PM
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Yes, we have E85 all over Wisconsin. I would be using it in the Magnum but I want every last bit of horsepower I can get. If it was more of a street car, there is no doubt that I would be running it!
You would most likely make the same power as the 116 oct tune with E85, at a much cheaper cost.

Every 110oct evo I have retuned on E85 made more power.

We recently switched over to E85 from 116 oct on our shop Time Attack Unlimited class Subaru and it made more power, at less boost.

btw, great results, the BBK is a great stock variant turbo. I recently retuned a BBK equipped Evo 8 that had a TME turbo on before, the BBK spooled only slightly slower.
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CBRD_Caleb
Meet me? I spent most of the shootout with you last year! This is Caleb fool!

LOL
LOL, I missed that. Thought it was Chad posting, haha Yeah, looking forward to hanging out again
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by GST Motorsports
You would most likely make the same power as the 116 oct tune with E85, at a much cheaper cost.

Every 110oct evo I have retuned on E85 made more power.

We recently switched over to E85 from 116 oct on our shop Time Attack Unlimited class Subaru and it made more power, at less boost.

btw, great results, the BBK is a great stock variant turbo. I recently retuned a BBK equipped Evo 8 that had a TME turbo on before, the BBK spooled only slightly slower.
That is surprising...I had always seen gains over 110 but not 116. Looks like I may have to change my fuel cell. Thanks for that information!

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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 94AWDcoupe
thats interesting. I would choose the green power band. More power sooner. Good bit more in the 4500-5500 range. I am only seeing a 8 HP gain with the BBK and it sacrifices too much power under curve early on. looses 15tq. But they are really close either way I would be happy with that car
One thing to consider, though, is intended use of the car. With a light EVO there is a maximum amount of torque you can use in an autocross situation. Anything above that will make the car harder to control coming out of corners. . .

~400 TQ on a MD is enough. I would absolutely trade -15tq at 4000rpm for +30HP at 7000rpm (assuming you already have a surplus of torque. . . )
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 94AWDcoupe
thats interesting. I would choose the green power band. More power sooner. Good bit more in the 4500-5500 range. I am only seeing a 8 HP gain with the BBK and it sacrifices too much power under curve early on. looses 15tq. But they are really close either way I would be happy with that car
I know that I did not like how the FP Green recovered after shifts. Based on how steep the curve is on the BBK dyno curve and after riding in Caleb's car, I am banking on the BBK being alot better in that department. I will be spending much of my time in the 5K plus range and the extra horsepower up top could still be an advantage over the Green as well for my application IMO. With the added information from GST about E85, it looks like there should be even more gains in power if I switch from 116 to E85 using the BBK.

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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by EVOlutionary
One thing to consider, though, is intended use of the car. With a light EVO there is a maximum amount of torque you can use in an autocross situation. Anything above that will make the car harder to control coming out of corners. . .

~400 TQ on a MD is enough. I would absolutely trade -15tq at 4000rpm for +30HP at 7000rpm (assuming you already have a surplus of torque. . . )
Well said Jarrod.
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Old Apr 6, 2009 | 07:38 PM
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Here is a vid from my old EVO with the Green. The car was basically full weight with the dyno numbers previously referenced. You can see how fun...errr wild the torque gets in a Solo application Good for drifting but not so much for autox.

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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by GST Motorsports
You would most likely make the same power as the 116 oct tune with E85, at a much cheaper cost.

Every 110oct evo I have retuned on E85 made more power.

We recently switched over to E85 from 116 oct on our shop Time Attack Unlimited class Subaru and it made more power, at less boost.

btw, great results, the BBK is a great stock variant turbo. I recently retuned a BBK equipped Evo 8 that had a TME turbo on before, the BBK spooled only slightly slower.
Don't forget that 'up here' we have different mixes of E85 (E70, E80, E85) as the seasons change, and it makes tuning a bit of a PITA when the fuel changes keeping safety in mind, etc. Come summer I'd go E85 over the Q16, see how you like it
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Old Apr 7, 2009 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by scheides
Don't forget that 'up here' we have different mixes of E85 (E70, E80, E85) as the seasons change, and it makes tuning a bit of a PITA when the fuel changes keeping safety in mind, etc. Come summer I'd go E85 over the Q16, see how you like it
I have some barrels and would probably just fill those up knowing that I will then have E85 but a very good point.

The problem I have right now is when David checked with the fuel cell manufacturer, they were not sure the foam in my cell would play nicely with the E85. Probably will look into changing that for next season. I still have a barrel of 116 to use up Previously, an ethanol plant was going to build near me and was willing to sponsor the car with free E99 or what ever concentration I was interested in. If that would not have fallen through, I would be running it now.
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