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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Ted B
The trouble is that more power generates more heat and stress, and generally requires more rpm to achieve it. When that power is being generated, the rate of wear is rapidly accelerated, especially when the revs exceed 7k rpm. Succinctly put, the greater the power, rpm, and time spent generating that power, the shorter the lifespan. To put that into perspective, squeezing 700whp from 2.0L is akin to 1750whp being asked from a 5.0L Mustang. How long would anyone expect that to survive until the next rebuild? Keep cash handy.

Putting longevity into a general rule of thumb isn't easy, because there are just too many variables that influence the equation. I'd say keeping things to around 500whp and 8k rpm with only occasional bursts of power would be a good means of maximizing longevity.
Ted I agree with all your points - my point was basically we're talking about Daily Driving on public roads in the USA, we're not blasting down the Autobahn everyday... I only know of a couple of roads where you can keep the pedal down for more than 20 seconds in a 600hp car and even then you'll be putting yourself in jeopardy of a prison sentence

This reminds me of that Top Gear Fuel Mileage episode where they took a brand new M3 and a new Prius and put them both on the roadcourse.

They put the Prius in front and had the driver drive as fast as he could while the M3 just had to stay on the Prius back bumper - In the end, the Prius had to use all it's 134 horsepower, while the M3 was just cruising along barely using any of it's power to maintain on the back bumper of the Prius... Guess who had the better gas mileage...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTOyiKLARk

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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 11:59 AM
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The 37R will blow the air, but he's going to need a lot more than a turbo to get there. FWIW, this is the kind of build you are looking for:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6436252-post11.html

This car has an explicit goal of reaching 700HP. This car has every ****-bit you can imagine.
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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Philthy748
Ted I agree with all your points - my point was basically we're talking about Daily Driving on public roads in the USA, we're not blasting down the Autobahn everyday... I only know of a couple of roads where you can keep the pedal down for more than 20 seconds in a 600hp car and even then you'll be putting yourself in jeopardy of a prison sentence

This reminds me of that Top Gear Fuel Mileage episode where they took a brand new M3 and a new Prius and put them both on the roadcourse.

They put the Prius in front and had the driver drive as fast as he could while the M3 just had to stay on the Prius back bumper - In the end, the Prius had to use all it's 134 horsepower, while the M3 was just cruising along barely using any of it's power to maintain on the back bumper of the Prius... Guess who had the better gas mileage...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTOyiKLARk
The biggest flaw is that with the Prius, you're beating on it all the time and I bet the electric motor was barely used. Now, a 134HP engine has to carry not only the driver and chassis, but also the electric motor and it's batteries. It easily gets roughly 3000lbs altogether with everything stock, such as suspension and tires. Since it was beaten the whole time, it was a bad comparisson for gas millage. In order to fully acheive MPG, you have to relearn how to drive when you get in a hybrid. I've known a few ppl that can get 46 MPG city and even more on freeways.
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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Piro Fyre
The biggest flaw is that with the Prius, you're beating on it all the time and I bet the electric motor was barely used. Now, a 134HP engine has to carry not only the driver and chassis, but also the electric motor and it's batteries. It easily gets roughly 3000lbs altogether with everything stock, such as suspension and tires. Since it was beaten the whole time, it was a bad comparisson for gas millage. In order to fully acheive MPG, you have to relearn how to drive when you get in a hybrid. I've known a few ppl that can get 46 MPG city and even more on freeways.
No doubt - but it supports my statement about how much power you actually use while driving a high horse power car on the street or normal driving... The M3 could go on for weeks driving at that pace while the Prius would be toast...
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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ayk143
can anyone help me i have 03 evo with 06 mivec engine with a 2.3 ams stroker kit i would like to know what is the best turbo. i want to use this car for daily driving too. but i want to build at least 700hp evo.

and for my engine i am putting ams stroker kit, what else can i do to build a very strong engine. please be specific because i dont really understand i am just reaserching online

thank you!!!
The FP Red is AWESOME with the 2.3L Motor, 550WHP and 600+WTQ!!! Look into Buschur's Project White. A low 10 second car and has great street manners.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...formation.html

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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 10:23 PM
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6765 is my favorite for right now 600 on pump 93, 788 on C-16.
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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by kenikh
The 37R will blow the air, but he's going to need a lot more than a turbo to get there. FWIW, this is the kind of build you are looking for:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6436252-post11.html

This car has an explicit goal of reaching 700HP. This car has every ****-bit you can imagine.
Damn that is one clean engine bay in that link you posted!
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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Piro Fyre
The biggest flaw is that with the Prius, you're beating on it all the time and I bet the electric motor was barely used. Now, a 134HP engine has to carry not only the driver and chassis, but also the electric motor and it's batteries. It easily gets roughly 3000lbs altogether with everything stock, such as suspension and tires. Since it was beaten the whole time, it was a bad comparisson for gas millage. In order to fully acheive MPG, you have to relearn how to drive when you get in a hybrid. I've known a few ppl that can get 46 MPG city and even more on freeways.
I think the point is that you have to learn less in the M3, as long as you're not in the red everywhere that is.

I especially like the comparo because more often than not I see Prius drivers running around on the interstate doing 70+. Talk about missing the point!
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