Well I got the ETS 3.5 core IC and I'm very happy with it plus it is cost effective.

 

If I had the money I would get a buschur ic no questions asked....

 

When it comes time for me, I'm going ETS as well and fab'n my own piping.... now that's cost effective!

 

AWD Terror - you are my hero.

 

Lower IATs can and does make more power w/o tuning. So that quote is worthless.

 

Mike said this before just because you go ets doesn't mean u can't have the Garret core. Ets offers it you just have to ask for it.

Like I said before there i am not nocking ets as a company I am simply stating and showing that the Garret core is more effecient and will let you make more power then the ets core. Who you choose to buy the Garret core i/c from is up to you. Cbrd, buschur, ets all use the same core as each other, the only difference is end tank design.

Jeff

 

FWIW

I recently bought a 4" ETS FMIC kit with stock route brushed alum piping from MAPerformance. I have NOT used a Garrett 3.8" core so I can not compare the two. I will say ETS's kit is flawless, fit and finish is second to none. For the 4" core there must be some trimming to the bumper cover and also the crash beam (My crash beam is already removed so I can not comment on the bar trimming)

My only question was weight on the two. But I never figured out if there was any difference. I will say what really pushed me to pick the ETS core was the heck of the deal MAP gave me on it. I talked to Buschur Racing about their 3.8" kit and the ETS 4" kit (purchased threw MAP) and it just was a better price for the full kit and price was basically what it came down to since I have heard everyone has been happy with the 4" kit and the 3.8" Garrett kit.

Though this is not the most tech savvy post, people also care about pricing.

 

You are talking a couple if horsepower here not large numbers that are substantial. You are not actuslling taking advantage if it untill you tune for it. The ecu has room to adjust and corection factors for cooler temps but not much.

It would be like dynoing your car on the tune you got in the middle of a 100 degree summer in the middle of a 40 degree winter. sure the car is going to make more power at 40 degrees but there would be all kinds of power left on the table. If you actually got a Retune in the 40 degree weather your numbers would jump alot higher then just doing a pull.

Jeff

 

also to get technical the colder air would be leaning out your afr because it is more dense and there will be more air/oxygen in the cumbustion chamber, that is why the car is making more power. level off the afr to were it was before and you will be right back where u started. the stock ecu can only compensate so far though before you will actually manually add more fuel to keep the afr in the sweet spot, thus tuning comes into play.

jeff

 

Regardless, cooler charged air makes more power w/o tuning. I've logged 20hp differences between mid summer and winter, with no changes. I'm not going to retune my car just for winter, hell I barely drive it. When I do it's just to get my "fix". I'm not trying to stir the pot or put anybody down, and I should not have said your post was worthless, It wasn't nice.

 

There are some people that want to maximize their money and power per product. And there are some people that just want the ability to brag they have a big fmic. For those of us who arent interested in the latter... the choice is obvious.

Cooler air always makes more power. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. Cooler air is denser, and thus greater in volume.

 

I don't mind your comments at least you know what you are talking about. The point I was trying to make has carried me away from basics tryng to explain things to people that don't seem to understand efficiency. I stated before but I'll say it one more time.

The Garret core made just as power as th ets from direct bolt on. I lost psi and the afr got rich up top. Putting the tune back to were it was made power over the ets core with the same psi and afr. I don't gave a graph because I dint ask my tuner to print after every pull. Final out come was the graph I posted after taking advantage of the effeciency +29whp/19wtq. That is a solid gain in my book.

Jeff

 

Your first comment doesn't make that much sense considering you can get the same core used in buschur race I/c from ets at the same price they sell their own for

Jeff

 

+1 I'm very happy with ETS. They have great products!

 

just out of curiosity, what is the weight difference between the cores? Although I know more weight typically means more resistance to heat soak, it would also be nice to remove as much excess weight from the nose of the car as possible.