and it was a larger core (garret race cores are 3.8" vs. the ETS 3.5" core) why is everyone overlooking this fact when slamming the ETS. Where are the comparisons to the AMS and BR street cores? Why are people still spouting off about a clearly apples to oranges comparison?

 

because ets still claims their standard core is as effecient if not more then the garret cores, i have said it before

 

Jeff,

It's ok, I will post up Dyno results on Monday. No problem. Have a good rest of the weekend =)

That's a pretty interesting claim, since we have a customer (Tim) who holds the stock ecu record making 757whp runs one of our 4.0" ETS intercoolers, now a 5.0" ETS intercooler.. No Heat Soaking.. No obscene Increase in AIT, not a problem running 42psi?!

We also have English Racing who holds the Evo 9 Record running one of our intercoolers as well, I wonder how much more power he would make running a Garrett Core.

We also have Brett Todd of the Supra Community running a 4.0" supra intercooler making over 1000whp and running low low 8 sec passes..

RREV Motorsports also runs one of our 5.0" intercoolers running a low 8 sec pass as well in the Supra.

Don't forget the ETS GT35R who holds the stock block record at 614whp with a 4.0" intercooler.

We have countless other customers with no problems! If you want to see how we test our cores, take a good look at this link.

http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/I...duct_info.html

We do extensive testing in house before we release a product. We have not had a need to compile the evolution results like we did the bmw, since we can go off the results on 100's of customers.

I don't want to get into a **** match any longer over the 3.8" Garrett vs the 4.0" ETS Intercooler (Not the 3.5" intercooler that Jeff is talking about)

So I will post up some dyno testing results on Monday. Maybe I care to much about the product that we sell, I guess I could simply reply and let the customer do the research.

Again.. Jeff.. I would like to express I have no hard feelings towards you, I understand what you are trying to do, I understand your point and where you feel you are right. So we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Thanks,

Michael

 

Only certain cars with the nessecary sensors make the list.

Blah blah blah.. yak yak yak.


how many of the top fastest/quickest evo's are running ETS cores?


This thread is about ETS vs Garrett EVO cores right?

 

You know, threads like this **** me off! Instead of pissing in the wind about who's is better and this and that. I wished that all the big i/c maker's would find one car with a stock turbo, doesnt matter if it is stock ECU, AEM EMS, etc. and do a facking test of i/c's. you could even leave the front bumper off to make it faster to change out i/c's and do it all in one day, same Dyno, same car, same everything. This would tell the truth behind all the marketing B.S. some companies throw out here to us "common folk" trying to make a buck.

This way the loser's would SEE for their own eyes their products sucks ballsax. Plus the community would see they got doped into buying junk.

/Rant

 

That's a pretty interesting claim, since we have a customer (Tim) who holds the stock ecu record making 757whp runs one of our 4.0" ETS intercoolers, now a 5.0" ETS intercooler.. No Heat Soaking.. No obscene Increase in AIT, not a problem running 42psi?!

We also have English Racing who holds the Evo 9 Record running one of our intercoolers as well, I wonder how much more power he would make running a Garrett Core.


You just quoted this...


I run the 650hp kit on my DD 1g.... I believe its even 3.0"? It was $823.00 shipped to my house.... ANd it performs just as advertised....Eliminates knock in 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears - up to 22psi on pump gas


And even levels higher than that.... 24psi to be exact.. On a 20g.

The quality of the welds are second to none... And there is even an extra "curb guard" I'll call it, attached to the bottom of the core... My old Buschur FMIC didnt have that......

 

I didnt ask power levels.. I asked for times. =)

 

well i would hope that a bigger intercooler would allow him to up the boost (3.5" vs. 3.8")...if not then that would be kind of dumb.

exactly, the comparison should really be between the ETS 3.5" core and say Buschurs new 3.5" Garrett core "Street" intercooler, that would be fair.


and before someone says "well a 3.8" core vs. a 4" core isnt fair, blah blah blah", i dont even think garrett makes a 4" core in a size we can use, so the 3.8" is as close as youre going to get.

and again, before someone jumps down my throat. ive never bought anything from ETS, im not on their bandwagon, im not a nutswinger, AND i will probably buy a 3.8" garrett core intercooler from SOMEONE as i dont want to trim anything, but want the largest core i can fit...will this cause me to overheat sitting in traffic on a 117 degree vegas summer day? i dunno, but i guess ill find out and that my decision

i just see the logic in ETS' argument and also in jeff's

either way, it boils down to this: some people want to make as much power as they possiblly can, while some select parts they like for their own reasons and are happy with the power they get.

i can guarantee you that the fact that the garrett core does block air from the radiator might not sit well with some people (regardless of it you notice a change on your in car water meter), and they might want the ets core. others wont care.

its up to the individual to decide what they really want, and not complain with the outcome.

this whole thing is close to the whole test pipe vs high flow cat argument and we all know what that argument is.

 

Well said^^^^



I agree^^^^ Sick of all this companies bickering back n forth its making the evo community look like a joke.. Stop selling crap for products, start doing more R&D, stop testing ex: 3' vs 4' go 4' vs 4', i do not want to hear what a supra,rx7 etc made on this core,stop making stupid scroll down options for cheaper crappy rusted worthy parts to just make a buck(sorry to call you out ets but thats life) If Dave did a test that was unfair ill mention that to i have to go back n read his test .I wish we can get a regular joe who has nothing to do with mitsubishi cars who has a mustang to do all these companies test.

 

I would love to see a Garret 3.5 vs an ets 3.5, that would be awsome. I posted my results only because I am an individual and had an experience to share with the community. At the time I bought my Garret core I did not see anyone selling the 3.5 inch core. I had relavant info from switching from one intrcooler to the next so I put it out there.

I checked ets link mike posted to their website in house testing but the info means nothing to our discussion once again. He is showing results and good ones at that from going from a stock BMW I/c to an ets core. How does that have any meaning to us or this discusion.

at least the info I shared is from an evo and about a Garret core and ets one. I'll agree with mike and say it's not a perfect back to back test but I never said it was. It does show real world results and that is what this community needs.

Jeff

 

i hear ya man, but i think the issue lies here:

youre complaining that ETS isnt putting out relevant data, talking about other cars, the overheating issue, etc etc, and that they are misleading people and youre right...on most points

BUT

youre misleading people by the way youre coming across (if its on purpose, i dunno...i know you had a bad experience). the way youre coming across is pretty much this. youre like "i switched out ets' crappy 3.5" intercooler to a garrett 3.8" and i made 30whp. everyone else should do the same"

and maybe they should run larger than a 3.5", not for me to decide.

BUT if you were to say "i switched out the crappy 4" ets core for a garrett and made 30hp" then you would have legit cause to call the ets core crap

thats all im saying haha

 

I didn't read all of the thread, so just want to cover a few quick points for to clarify.

#1. We only use Garrett cores, end of story.
#2. Yes, Garrett cores are known to leak from the factory, our FMIC's are all leak tested before shipping and if they have a leak, we fix them before shipping.
#3. ALL of our EVO8-9 FMIC's are currently and always have been 24" wide, end of story.
#4. After building our Race FMIC, which is the 3.8" core, everyone at our shop always recommended that core over our Deluxe and Standard FMIC's, which were 3.5". SOME customer refused to take that advise and would still want the 3.5" cores, those kits were 10.8" high. We also no longer offer the 4.5" BFIC either.
#5. We no longer offer the Deluxe or Standard FMIC kits, we have recently released our Street FMIC which is 3.5x13"x24". The core is rated at 950 hp from Garrett.
#6. I was gung-ho for quite awhile testing FMIC's on different cars as they would come through the shop with AEM's on them, so I could log boost/IAT's. I had forgot about that testing actually. It's not really testing, just various information. There is a LOT of posts in that thread with a lot of FMIC's and turbo combinations. It's worth looking at.

Last but not least, I personally have not seen a core that will outperform the Garrett, if I did, I simply switch to that core and quit offering an inferior product. Also, so it's clear we only offer 2 FMIC's for the EVO8-9 now, the Street and the Race. Exactly the same except for the .3 inches difference in thickness.

 

good info

 

David,

Is there a reason why your race FMIC is $100.00 more than the ETS 3.8" Garrett core? Only difference is the end tanks...

 

^^^

i think you need to buy buschur intercooler piping also, so dont forget that