everytime a new combo comes over the dyno - he records the results and uploads them.

 

This thread asks about Garret 3.8" vs ETS 4" and everyone has been comparing the ETS 3.5" to other's race cores. Why not compare that core to the BR deluxe core of the same width? Dave B. has already gone on record saying that the race core is better than the deluxe for high boost. Does no one else think it is sketchy that the BR test ran high boost conditions using their race cores compared to someone else's street core?

 

Thanks Jeff for the clarification....

certainly ETS's standard core is less expensive than garret (just my assumption), but if you can get the garret IC for the same price currently I dont understand all the *****ing.... is there something that I am missing... besides you have to be wise enough to ask for it specifically

 

What seems to be the issue us ets is constantly insisting on their standard cores to be as effecient if not better then Garret cores, which through my experiences they are not and don't even come close. I understand ets defending their product but it is misleading individuals into buying their product from bad info and overheating claims that are bs. As you said I'm sure the ets standard core is cheaper then the Garret so they make more money off of it. I purchased 2 intercoolers in a years time because I was mislead by them and later properly informed by my tuner on the right piece for the job. I am simply trying to keep other people from making the same mistake I did and get the right i/c from the begining and ets is not taking very kindly to it, even though they sell the product themselves.

Jeff

 

All I know is when I switched from a BR deluxe to an ETS 4" core, my tuner (Tamer) said that it leaned out my afr's and there was more power to unlock. The only problem is I'm on a single pump and a FP red with E85 so I can't add any fuel to get the extra horsepower.

 

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Thanks for the review!

Michael

 

Jeff,

We are not misleading anyone.. We stated a couple facts that had to do with different vehicles. We also stated that the evolution has ducting for a front mount which allows air flow to the radiator.

We only have the option for the Garrett core because of this... We won't sell the Garrett core for the DSM or other vehicles because we have seen the over heating issue with the Garrett core. Buschur has also said this several times, I think this is one of the main reasons they stopped building a front mount for this vehicle.

If you were to test air flow from side A of the intercooler to Side B of the intercooler you would see less air flow on the Garrett core due to the density of the fins. This is the only point we are trying to get a across. Let's say a customer has an aftermarket bumper with no ducting and running a Garrett core, would the car over heat? I dunno, but I would suggest our intercooler due to the fact it will allow more air flow without sacrificing heat dissipation.

I have a big problem with you saying removing our intercooler adds 29hp when the dyno is not even on the same day and with more boost. This is not a fair comparrison at all. You even stated your self, when we bolted on the garrett core the car made the same horsepower, tell we turned up the boost.

We have ran way more boost through the ETS core, then you are even running and with a much larger turbo with no heat soak. You are also not monitoring the pressure in / pressure out , temp in / temp out. So going around and posting this graph is only saying the tuner did a better job the 2nd time around with the tune?

I'm pretty sure we have both said our peace and hopefully the bickering back and forth can end on this note. I have no problem talking with you over the phone or over PM with any issues you have.

Thank You,

Michael

 

thats all great info and thank you for educating the community about these other vehicles. as it pertains to an evo you say because of aftermarket bumpers that it could cause overheating, but dont really know, good point. unfortunately no one has mentioned, asked, or brought up this so called concern and you mention it in every i/c thread you join in on, which is most of them, maybe you should add the part about after market bumpers to your posts so the community knows what you are talking about. when you just enter a thread about intercoolers and start scaring people with overheating in general you are totally misleading them, considering a stock appearing evo will have no issues what so ever.

jeff

 

actually I wish there were more BR posts on stock framed turbos. Most of his are on bigger style turbos which makes a difference then a guy runnining a stock frame turbo hard.
Also he has some posts in there of an AMS on getting pretty heat soaked too.

 

you are corrrect only ams race cored seemed to be on par with the garret core their regular i/c seem to soak similar to the ets

jeff

 

also how is BR testing IAT's on every car that walks in the door?
Or is he testing only cars already equipped with an IAT sensor?

 

the garret core "allowed" him to put the boost up in the process gaining power. You say its not a true comparison but the ets wouldnt allow him to increase the boost that was the limiting factor of the ets core and therefore shows what is the better performer.

 

about this, if you are going to quote me and put it in bold maybe you should actually use the quote function because what you have said never came out of my mouth. i never said the above and you have now turned my words around to make yourself look better, not cool!

i just copied and pasted this from my post in number 42

"like i stated a few posts back just swithching the the garret core for the ets core it made the same power on less boost(lost some preasure because its bigger), and it richened up the afr out up top. the graph i posted was the final product, im sorry i didnt get my tuner to print a dyno plot after every pull i didnt think it was needed."

again in post number 57

"The Garret core made just as power as th ets from direct bolt on. I lost psi and the afr got rich up top. Putting the tune back to were it was made power over the ets core with the same psi and afr. I don't gave a graph because I dint ask my tuner to print after every pull. Final out come was the graph I posted after taking advantage of the effeciency +29whp/19wtq. That is a solid gain in my book. "

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as for running more boost on a larger turbo, wouldnt that have a cooler air charge since the larger turbos are made to run more effeciently at higher boost levels, thats the point of buying them.

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as far as my tuner doing a better job the second time around heres a quote from post number 42

"the ets core was maxxed out on my car. i could not add more boost or timing or lean out the afr with out knock. once the garret core was added the intake temps dropped drastically enough for me to be able to add 1.7 pounds of boost, more timing through out the band andit made the afr richer up top so i was able to lean it back out alll with out knock. so yes the retune made the power but it would not have been possible to to even think about that tune on the ets core it would killed my motor."

if he maxed out the tune on the ets core because of knock how would you suggest he make more power safely with your core. i was there i saw the logs and the knock counts before he dialed it back.


if you would like to make up more stories about what i said and mislead some more people go right ahead ill be hear to coreect you after you do.


jeff

ps. why did you delete your post # 97 about me sharing dave bushurs info? because you miss quoted me in that one too, i would have loved to show that as well. i dont think dave was being very biased in that thread he is just putting out info on alot of different setups and combinations for all to see. theres nothing wrong with me sharing what he comes up with random intercooling testing, maybe if ets did the same we could all share that as well it would be educational for the whole community.

 

thank you! the guy in new zealand gets it, you guys must be genious over there

jeff