I just fell in love!

ETS is a great company and with me living in the NW, I deal and deal with other that deal with them on a everyday basis. +1mil for Michael and ETS

 

Our main business is building custom intercoolers for all kinds of applications ranging from 100hp engines to 2500hp engines. We have seen everything!

If you have any other questions, let me know!

Thanks!

Michael

 

DB did a lot of testing on a variety of AIT temps and pressure drops etc.

 

i know, i allready posted a link to it in this thread but people are to worried about not falling off ets's sack to read. awd has posted multiple times of no one giving any factual info in this thread when i have done it multiple times.

ill post some of the info here just incase people are to lazy to click the link


2 liter
Turbo Trix T3, GT35r kit
ETS 3.5" FMIC
Starting AIT 105.8 degrees
Ending AIT 129.2 degrees
Peak boost 36.31 psi
20 psi at 5086 rpm
+24 dgree from start to finish


GT40, custom header
2.3 liter
BR Race FMIC
Starting AIT 44.60 degrees
Ending AIT 53.60 degrees
Peak boost 35.53 psi
20 psi at 5063 rpm
+9 degrees from start to finsh


2 liter, GREEN, BR race FMIC
Starting AIT 95 degrees
Ending AIT 100.4 degrees
Peak boost 33 psi (NOTE 6 more psi and still cooler temps)
20 psi at 3723 rpm
+5 degrees from start to finish


2 liter, AMS GT35r, AMS Race FMIC
Starting AIT 87.80 degrees
Ending AIT 93.20 degrees
Peak boost 41.12 psi
20 psi 4676
+6 degrees from start to finish


thats just a couple from the link there is a couple of pages of this info from testing so you guys tell me

jeff

 

So it appears BR and AMS use a similar or same core. And ets comes up last with warmer temps.


Oddly - I would certainly believe the testing as I would think if DB were going to slant it.. it would be against AMS.. not ETS.

However -- I have see the same small degree changes on mine -- so i can verify buschurs core of less then 10 deg per pull increases. No where near 24.

 

mike,

first off all i didnt know this was your thread the title seems to to 3.8" garret core vs 4" ets core. as we all know you are not the only company that offers the garret core so explain to me how this thread is only about you and how im flameing your thread. i have applauded you guys at least once in this thread were it was due and also deffended you once or twice because it seems your customers still dont know that you offer a garret core. up untill i was asked by another member i didnt talk about anything but the garret core vs an ets core which happens to be what the thread is about.

as far as you guys offering the trade up to stainless, thats a good thing and i again applaud your company for doing so. in the end though explain to me why one should pay a company more money (you are charging more then the difference between mild and stainless on your site) to fix a wrong that should not have even been an issue. plus they are paying shipping on top of that and the down time with no i/c pipes on their car. someone from around me would have to wait two weeks to drive their car agin to take advantage of your deal. ill just spend my money with a company that will steer me right from the begining apose to one that wants me to buy something twice.

lastly since my comparison is so apples to oranges tell me exactly how to compare a garret 3.8 inch core to an ets core since you dont make a 3.8 inch i/c. is that part of your marketing strategy, to not make a core that size so no one can do a real test to show it works better. so according to you it would be impossible to do a back to back test even if it was on the same day and every other parameter you want met because the core sizes dont match. thats a bunch of bs. when my tuner was done tuning my car with your i/c on it he told me if i wanted to make more power to switch to a garret style core i/c. he didnt care who made it or where it came from but simply to switch to a garret core. so i did and look what happened in the end a 29whp/19wtq gain just like he said. you can argue that all you want but the fact is the car made more power and was able to be safely more aggressively tuned on a garret core then yours. i was there for the whole process you cant tell me that it is not a real comparison, was it perfect no but we are not talking about 4 or 5 horsepower differences either that could come from weather or what ever you want to chalk it up to. the day the garret core was tuned the odds were against it, slightly higher temp,aand more humidity, plus it was raining and it still outperformed my old i/c and got to the 400 mark on pump gas on a dyno that it is not easy to do on.

jeff

ps. quit bull shi..ing people on this forum about your over heating crap. it doesnt affect an evo like it did the other cars you were talking about. if you want to educate people who own bmws, dsm, supras, 300gts or what ever go to their forums and do so. please keep your misleading info away from people trying to make smart choices.

 

well i live in vegas, where we have 115+ degree summer days, so id like my car to run as cool as possible, although i was thinking about upgrading my radiator anyway. my decision about running the ets core vs the garrett core is still up in the air, but the 3.8" garrett for $699 from ets, may have helped my decision.

 

also, atkins, i know you were able to make more power with the 3.8" garrett vs the 3.5" ets, and i know that the garrett cools charge temps more, but how do you know that the 4" ets core wouldnt have allowed you to make the same power?

and before you jump down my throat, im not on anyones bandwagon. im just asking a fair question...

 

i know i seem to come off a little harsh towards ets but it is only defense of myself. if mike would have been smart enough to ask the same question you just did this thread might look completely different.

great question that i personally cant give to much info on because i have no personal experience or have yet to see any testing on. according to ets you cant even compare them anyway because they are not the same size.

i do know they use the same style core from there 3.5 inch but i dont know how effctive the extra .5 inch is at raising effeciency. maybe mike can chime in and shed some light from their testing. from the books ive read most of the cooling takes place in the first 25% of the intercooler so the extra width should help a little. the garret core still uses a more effecient design overall.

the only other thing i can add to that is that my particular garret core fit with no trimming or anything at all, direct bolt on and i know the ets 4" core requires a litlle cutting to make things fit. i personally would not want to cut my crash bar.

jeff

 

i hear ya, i dont want to cut anything either, hence why im looking at the cbrd 3.8 inch garrett and the ets 3.8 inch.

i also feel that the 3.8 and ets 4" can be compared because shops like buschur call it the garrett 4" anyway

from buschurs site:
Buschur Racing Evolution FMIC (Race Core) - "The core measures in at 24" x 13" x 4"

 

I just think they are rounding up to make things easier, though.2 of an inch is not that big it is still a difference especially when you are talking about volume. I personally use the Cbrd i/c and it fits great and obviously performs. End tank design is another thing to look at but once again I'm no expert in that area. I went with Cbrd because of their service, knowledge and willingness to listen to the customer and ask questions to help get them to reach their goals. If they think what you are trying to buy doesn't fit your application they will tell you and point you in the right direction even if it is not their product.

Jeff

 

How about a side by side comparo of ets's 3.8 garrett core vs. cbrd or bushurs for that matter.
We can then compare cores dimensions and end tanks as well as welds and quality. IF ETS's garret cores cam match up we know we probably have a good product to purchase. IF not why not spend the extra 100 bucks and by CBRD's or Bushur's which are proven to be effective for max gains.

 

I think this is good data to look at, but there is no real proof until we understand more information about the actual test mode and condition....
For instance, Amb temp/humidity during the test, and airflow over the IC.....two things that effect this type of measurement......

I'm not on anyone's side, I'm not making a statement......its no doubt in my mind, that garret's core has been one of the most effecient ever since when back in the day....

and in closing... I am now confused.... what core does ETS use? Does ETS have a garret core option?

 

ets uses their own core for the most part

and yes, they will build you an intercooler with a garrett core if you so chose, for the same price as their own

 

to get that specific info you would have to ask dave buschur. he did all the testing at his shop on his dyno so i assume that he sets it up the same for all cars, ie. number of fans placement of them and so forth but dave would have the solid answers. the link i posted is a good on there is about 10 pages to it, not all test data there is some bickering in there between ets and him but for the most part its good info. i believe it started back in 07 and he still updates with new results. he just puts up the info to share and for people to be able to make good choices, instead of listening to hype and fan boys about how good a product is.

as said above ets does offer the garret core its just not their standard core that they use on allof their intercoolers. if you just called and placed an order you would not recieve it unless you specifically ask for it.

jeff