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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 12:38 AM
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Your first comment doesn't make that much sense considering you can get the same core used in buschur race I/c from ets at the same price they sell their own for

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You can now -- was this always the case?


I think its similar to the mild steel pipes ordeal. "we offered it if you knew to ask for it" but standard is the "this".
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 12:47 AM
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You can now -- was this always the case?


I think its similar to the mild steel pipes ordeal. "we offered it if you knew to ask for it" but standard is the "this".
What is your hp/tq on your setup?
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 05:49 AM
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Michael, another question now. since the 4" is on sale for the same price at the 3.5inch right now. . . does this mean the 3.8 would really be the 599 also?

Also any thoughts on the 3.5 garret vs. the 3.8 garrett?


Also my concern was the end tanks at the bottom also, but AMS's new cast tanks will have the ports at the bottom too and Buschurs is also along with any other IC I have ran in the past.
JMFab's and AMS were the only IC's I ever saw with the ports like that. I wonder why AMS decided to change? Maybe its hard to do the ports like that in cast?
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 06:10 AM
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If I had the money I would get a buschur ic no questions asked....
I bought a Buschur FMIC a couple of years ago. As many noted, there isn't a whole lot of published IC testing. DB did some and logged the temps, and that's about it. Essentially, the initial purchase came down to faith. After contemplating the options, I felt most comfortable going with a FMIC that was refined over the time via directly applicable testing and racing experiences by a shop that specialized in tuned Evolutions.

I felt good about putting a part on my car that was designed by folks with a proven record of success who've spent years upon years working with the 4G63, who drive Evos, who work on Evos, who run Evos, and who breathe Evos 24/7. At the time, other vendors were offering slightly less expensive alternatives. To my mind, it made no sense to try and save the cost of a dinner for two, and possibly compromise the results.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 06:17 AM
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Maybe its hard to do the ports like that in cast?
No, I know a guy that can cast great end tanks ...
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 06:23 AM
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No, I know a guy that can cast great end tanks ...

then they might know something we dont with endtank design and lower ports rather then stock style ports.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 09:11 AM
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What is your hp/tq on your setup?
I have only begun pushing the red. I max'd out stock injectors at 21ish psi.

I have 950s that will remedy this problem and allow me to continue to push it harder. Just waiting on map to get me seals. I hope to get enjoyable numbers from the red in the area of 26'ish psi -- For now. Next is a lil meth.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 09:27 AM
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I have only begun pushing the red. I max'd out stock injectors at 21ish psi.

I have 950s that will remedy this problem and allow me to continue to push it harder. Just waiting on map to get me seals. I hope to get enjoyable numbers from the red in the area of 26'ish psi -- For now. Next is a lil meth.
Nice. I would def get meth or e85 if in your area. Your red won't begin to shine till 30+lbs. I'm not happy with the red on pump gas and I think the new BBK-XL will be better than the red on pump
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by xRoguex
You can now -- was this always the case?


I think its similar to the mild steel pipes ordeal. "we offered it if you knew to ask for it" but standard is the "this".
You are exactly right and thats why I won't do business with ets ever again because I was caught in that, but that's not what this thread was about. I have voiced my opinion on their business in other threads but was trying to be as objective as possible in this thread since it is about core comparison not ets's business ethics

Jeff
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by atkins
You are exactly right and thats why I won't do business with ets ever again because I was caught in that, but that's not what this thread was about. I have voiced my opinion on their business in other threads but was trying to be as objective as possible in this thread since it is about core comparison not ets's business ethics

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Jeff,

We have always had the option as a drop down on our website to go with stainless steel.. We didn't hide the option from anyone. We have sold several stainless kits before we made the switch to 100% stainless steel.

If anything it shows how loyal we are to our customers that we are willing to let them return their old mild steel pipes and pay the upgrade fee and get brand new stainless steel pipes. I can't think of any other shop that would do this.

Before you question our ethics, you should at least know the facts.. I'm sure you are going to continue flaming our thread with apples to oranges comparison and bad experience. I guess you can't win them all, but we try our hardest.

Thanks,

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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BLKCarbonEVO
Nice. I would def get meth or e85 if in your area. Your red won't begin to shine till 30+lbs. I'm not happy with the red on pump gas and I think the new BBK-XL will be better than the red on pump

Oh I agree. However we do not have e85 here in pitt. meth is my only hope. But for now - even at 20 psi - its a fun car to drive. I did not like the spunk and jerkyness of the stock turbo. This was the perfect turbo for me. Plus what I paid -- would make you sick.

Originally Posted by atkins
You are exactly right and thats why I won't do business with ets ever again because I was caught in that, but that's not what this thread was about. I have voiced my opinion on their business in other threads but was trying to be as objective as possible in this thread since it is about core comparison not ets's business ethics

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Agreed. And in keeping line with the OP. With a full rad - has anyone EVER had an issue with over heating with the evo? I mean - the front of the car is pretty much nothing but air ducts.. and the hood has a huge hole in it!

Maybe the guys that autox or road race may see some issues.. but DD'ing.. i mean really -- what would you have to do to over heat it?!

I submit a solid front end view. The area the FMIC covers - is roughly the same as the area above - that is used for AC/rad...

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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 11:12 AM
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Oh I agree. However we do not have e85 here in pitt. meth is my only hope. But for now - even at 20 psi - its a fun car to drive. I did not like the spunk and jerkyness of the stock turbo. This was the perfect turbo for me. Plus what I paid -- would make you sick.



Agreed. And in keeping line with the OP. With a full rad - has anyone EVER had an issue with over heating with the evo? I mean - the front of the car is pretty much nothing but air ducts.. and the hood has a huge hole in it!

Maybe the guys that autox or road race may see some issues.. but DD'ing.. i mean really -- what would you have to do to over heat it?!

I submit a solid front end view. The area the FMIC covers - is roughly the same as the area above - that is used for AC/rad...

What did you pay for it and you will def feel that turbo open up when you add meth to the mix. Run 100% and real meth not denatured alky

I have no A/C BS so the car is golden and ready for my 3.8
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 11:17 AM
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I will prob only run 50/50. The gains above 50% are minimal from what I have read and how testing with friends cars has gone.

And as for price.... brand new --- less then 1500. ;-) .... ported.


Look in to CBRD's core. 3.8 inches and ZZEERRROOO cutting.


With no AC .. i dont think you could EVER over heat that thing.. lol
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 11:24 AM
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I will prob only run 50/50. The gains above 50% are minimal from what I have read and how testing with friends cars has gone.

And as for price.... brand new --- less then 1500. ;-) .... ported.


Look in to CBRD's core. 3.8 inches and ZZEERRROOO cutting.


With no AC .. i dont think you could EVER over heat that thing.. lol
I already have my ETS 3.8" Garrett core coming. 699 shipped! Can't beat that for the same core that Chad offers. the only difference is the end tanks, which is personal prefernce and some technology difference. I like ETS endtanks because I think it cools better under low load. Just my opinion though so don't throw rocks
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 11:25 AM
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im heavily considering ETS's core now from the info I found on their site as to other core comparo's and the cores they tried and trials and tripulations of each core.
**** they were the only company to come on here and actually provide any info other then " I am to the Evo/DSM as to what Jesus was to the Jews, so my IC is the best" or " I have the fastest Evo in the world, so my Ic is the best"
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