More broken parts for the Bad Bish
Dave go with Autronic, don't fight it. Get the new SM4 pnp board, Accept it, Love it, Praise it. When you plug it in, set it up and turn the key, and it starts...the first try, your going to know you made the right decision.
Thank god - its time to stop beating around the bush !
This has been like dating a girl who only lets you finger her for a few months and its really time to end the games and give her the meat. I guess in this case finding a new girl is not an option so your only choice is to intensify your efforts.
This has been like dating a girl who only lets you finger her for a few months and its really time to end the games and give her the meat. I guess in this case finding a new girl is not an option so your only choice is to intensify your efforts.
Nice Pun and Analogy..
hey dave, my car was the one bryan was talking about earlier. we dropped a bolt out of the mani and dumped exhaust gas right on the sensor. this is on a stock ecu car. like enzo mentioned the car ran fine until i shut it off at the end of the session. next session out i try to fire it up and it just cranked over forever. stole the sensor off a friends car at the track and it fired right up. so i'm not sure it's just aem related for what it's worth.
Very informative thread. This has got me worrying though. I run the AEM as well and although I've had no problems so far, this doesn't give me a warm fuzzy. I still have the stock ECU and MAF, maybe I should switch back???
Good luck on the car Dave. My car will be at the shop Monday for a check up.
Ryan P.
Good luck on the car Dave. My car will be at the shop Monday for a check up.
Ryan P.
I am subscribing to this thread because I too feel that AEM is a great unit but seems to still have some bugs in SEVERAL areas. Thankfully many of us including a few vendors have been nice enough to test and point several of these out and provide the improved adjustments needed. I too have tried to help others and offer some advice but if David is willing to step up ONCE AGAIN and test another EMS I would be grateful to be included in the information. If an improved EMS option is found I would consider changing especially if they took part in public with their product.
I don't know much about the Haltech but I think I need to get researching.
I don't know much about the Haltech but I think I need to get researching.
I'll let one new cat out of the bag. IF I switch I am switching to the new Haltech. I have been approached by Haltech quite a few times over the last year to be a dealer and run their product. My hold up was lack of knock control, lack of 02 feedback and lack of boost fuel correction. Now the new unit has it all. I am buying my Haltech from Mike at AWDMotorsports and Crispeed is making the change over an easy plug and play swap just in case I don't like it. Thanks to Mike and Crispeed for putting the time into the harness for me and setting it up so it's a simple swap. As of right now I do not have the new unit, should be here tomorrow.
So my biggest hold up is simply installing it, verifying all my "extras" work and then getting it tuned so I can run the car. I'm sure it's going to take me awhile to adjust to the new software and working out MY bugs.
As for the person who posted about the actual exhaust gases blowing on his cam sensor and having a no start problem, that is a completely different problem than we are discussing. A complete no start is a total failure, I can live with that, the car would just quit. In this case the car will will misfire randomly only, still run, still start. Change the sensor and the misfire goes away.
So my biggest hold up is simply installing it, verifying all my "extras" work and then getting it tuned so I can run the car. I'm sure it's going to take me awhile to adjust to the new software and working out MY bugs.
As for the person who posted about the actual exhaust gases blowing on his cam sensor and having a no start problem, that is a completely different problem than we are discussing. A complete no start is a total failure, I can live with that, the car would just quit. In this case the car will will misfire randomly only, still run, still start. Change the sensor and the misfire goes away.
It would be nice if someone could get a Haltech rep on this board to introduce all of us to their ECU's benefits and this new design I had only heard about and that now David has also confirmed. With these new discoveries I think the AEM might possibly have a valid competitor but only testing, results and time will tell us but my fingers are crossed.
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Dave I'm glad you're trying something new... but as you are such a leader in this community, I would hate to see you switch to a new platform without being sure it's the best. Naturally many people will move to the platform you choose.
Why not try to get evaluation units from all the big players. Maybe give Ray Hall a call and try out a Vipec, call Hydra, Richard Aubert at Autronic, etc.. I bet they'd all be willing to give you a pnp board on evaluation.
You could do a thorough ECU test and be the only vendor / tuner on this board that has really tried all the competitive units for the Evo and has determines what is best, not what you happen to be comfortable with.
I think your constant testing has been a big component of your success in the community and this ECU testing could be just another example. You've tested intakes until you were blue in the face... why not test the electronic heart of the system.
Why not try to get evaluation units from all the big players. Maybe give Ray Hall a call and try out a Vipec, call Hydra, Richard Aubert at Autronic, etc.. I bet they'd all be willing to give you a pnp board on evaluation.
You could do a thorough ECU test and be the only vendor / tuner on this board that has really tried all the competitive units for the Evo and has determines what is best, not what you happen to be comfortable with.
I think your constant testing has been a big component of your success in the community and this ECU testing could be just another example. You've tested intakes until you were blue in the face... why not test the electronic heart of the system.
Dave I'm glad you're trying something new... but as you are such a leader in this community, I would hate to see you switch to a new platform without being sure it's the best. Naturally many people will move to the platform you choose.
Why not try to get evaluation units from all the big players. Maybe give Ray Hall a call and try out a Vipec, call Hydra, Richard Aubert at Autronic, etc.. I bet they'd all be willing to give you a pnp board on evaluation.
You could do a thorough ECU test and be the only vendor / tuner on this board that has really tried all the competitive units for the Evo and has determines what is best, not what you happen to be comfortable with.
I think your constant testing has been a big component of your success in the community and this ECU testing could be just another example. You've tested intakes until you were blue in the face... why not test the electronic heart of the system.
Why not try to get evaluation units from all the big players. Maybe give Ray Hall a call and try out a Vipec, call Hydra, Richard Aubert at Autronic, etc.. I bet they'd all be willing to give you a pnp board on evaluation.
You could do a thorough ECU test and be the only vendor / tuner on this board that has really tried all the competitive units for the Evo and has determines what is best, not what you happen to be comfortable with.
I think your constant testing has been a big component of your success in the community and this ECU testing could be just another example. You've tested intakes until you were blue in the face... why not test the electronic heart of the system.
Dave was given a System WE FEEL RIGHT NOW IS THE BEST.. For the Money, for the ease of use, for the support, & for the performance... If Dave has any questions he has my Cell Phone # and can contact US at 2am if need be or on a Sunday at a Race event.. Support he will not get from Those other mentioned companies..
Mike
I'll let one new cat out of the bag. IF I switch I am switching to the new Haltech. I have been approached by Haltech quite a few times over the last year to be a dealer and run their product. My hold up was lack of knock control, lack of 02 feedback and lack of boost fuel correction. Now the new unit has it all. I am buying my Haltech from Mike at AWDMotorsports and Crispeed is making the change over an easy plug and play swap just in case I don't like it. Thanks to Mike and Crispeed for putting the time into the harness for me and setting it up so it's a simple swap. As of right now I do not have the new unit, should be here tomorrow.
So my biggest hold up is simply installing it, verifying all my "extras" work and then getting it tuned so I can run the car. I'm sure it's going to take me awhile to adjust to the new software and working out MY bugs.
As for the person who posted about the actual exhaust gases blowing on his cam sensor and having a no start problem, that is a completely different problem than we are discussing. A complete no start is a total failure, I can live with that, the car would just quit. In this case the car will will misfire randomly only, still run, still start. Change the sensor and the misfire goes away.
So my biggest hold up is simply installing it, verifying all my "extras" work and then getting it tuned so I can run the car. I'm sure it's going to take me awhile to adjust to the new software and working out MY bugs.
As for the person who posted about the actual exhaust gases blowing on his cam sensor and having a no start problem, that is a completely different problem than we are discussing. A complete no start is a total failure, I can live with that, the car would just quit. In this case the car will will misfire randomly only, still run, still start. Change the sensor and the misfire goes away.
MIke
It would be nice if someone could get a Haltech rep on this board to introduce all of us to their ECU's benefits and this new design I had only heard about and that now David has also confirmed. With these new discoveries I think the AEM might possibly have a valid competitor but only testing, results and time will tell us but my fingers are crossed.
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crcain, before I get off on my next post I want to answer you. The honest truth is, the best ECU to use is the one that you are most comfortable with. I am most comfortable with the AEM but honestly after the last few months I am just about as comfortable with the stock ECU, I have been tuning more stock ECU's than anything else these days. Given the speed density solution for the stock ECU I think the stock ECU will make as much power as ANY stand alone on the market, end of story.
Take a look back to 2001, I ran a 7.81 at 174 mph on a stock DSM ECU with a rom modified in it for the revlimiter. I had a piggy back HKS VPC and HKS GCC on the car to tune the fuel. I was running a single set of 660 cc injectors in the car and nitrous, the extra fuel I needed was through the fuel jet on the nitrous. I won two regional championships and one national championship in Pro Import with IDRC with that combination. We switched to the AEM in 2002 and made no more peak power than we had before.
We have fuel and timing to make power with a computer. We have a rev limiter we need and a two step. Beyond that we don't need much more to make power or drive the car around. Ease of use is nice when tuning but that comes down to what you are comfortable with.
AEM is EASY for me to use, I know it like the back of my hand. Haltech is going to be tough but looking at the software it's appears to be easier than AEM.
There are features I feel I want to have in a stand alone, knock control, 02 feedback, idle control, boost correct fuel tables, these are my preferences and a deciding factor in what I use.
Right now Mike and I work together very closely. I have helped him a lot and now he is returing the favor. He's obviously gone fast and the car runs clean and the Haltech now has the features I want so it's what I am going to run. I considered others but for me this is also about promoting and helping who helps me.
Believe me, if I don't like it I won't be afraid to say it. Doesn't mean it's not the best, it comes down to personal preference as I said and what you are comfortable with.
Now for my next post.
Take a look back to 2001, I ran a 7.81 at 174 mph on a stock DSM ECU with a rom modified in it for the revlimiter. I had a piggy back HKS VPC and HKS GCC on the car to tune the fuel. I was running a single set of 660 cc injectors in the car and nitrous, the extra fuel I needed was through the fuel jet on the nitrous. I won two regional championships and one national championship in Pro Import with IDRC with that combination. We switched to the AEM in 2002 and made no more peak power than we had before.
We have fuel and timing to make power with a computer. We have a rev limiter we need and a two step. Beyond that we don't need much more to make power or drive the car around. Ease of use is nice when tuning but that comes down to what you are comfortable with.
AEM is EASY for me to use, I know it like the back of my hand. Haltech is going to be tough but looking at the software it's appears to be easier than AEM.
There are features I feel I want to have in a stand alone, knock control, 02 feedback, idle control, boost correct fuel tables, these are my preferences and a deciding factor in what I use.
Right now Mike and I work together very closely. I have helped him a lot and now he is returing the favor. He's obviously gone fast and the car runs clean and the Haltech now has the features I want so it's what I am going to run. I considered others but for me this is also about promoting and helping who helps me.
Believe me, if I don't like it I won't be afraid to say it. Doesn't mean it's not the best, it comes down to personal preference as I said and what you are comfortable with.
Now for my next post.