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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 07:00 PM
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Have installed both BR ported manifolds and PPI. The first PPI I had was a little rough and beyond the turbine gasket. The other was a bit better. At the head they really took a lot out. It was well on its way to being gasket matched. Which is not a good idea on an EVO as many can attest too. The BR manifolds were exactly to the turbine gasket and well cleaned up on the runners. Nothing crazy. As Dave said, inline with being matched using a 1g gasket.
Most of my testing is with the manifold, and O2 housing being swapped at the same time. So actual gains from just the ported manifold is hard to say for an average car.

A local guy came in with his own ported manifold. I was afraid the cast flange at the head would break off it was so thin. He did port it to the stock EVO gasket. He also will not listen and let me put on a stock manifold just to show him how much it is losing. Its an 03 running a red on E85 on 30 psi.

Heat coatings are great. Have used many different companies over the years. Lucky to have a local coater that is top notch. They do private label coatings for Yoshi, etc.
Been using their piston coatings on manifolds for years now. Turbine and O2 housings too. Good to temps well over 2000. Also used the Ceramachrome coatings that last to 1600-1700. Use it on the manifolds heat shield. You combine manifold, turbine and O2 housings all being coated with the DP. Makes for one fast spooling setup and much nicer underhood temps. For the stealthy EVO look even had the back half of my BR exhaust system coated flat black.

Its all about the combination of parts. You can have ten good parts on your car and two really poor choices and pretty much be at square one with performance.
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Early EVO
Have installed both BR ported manifolds and PPI. The first PPI I had was a little rough and beyond the turbine gasket. The other was a bit better. At the head they really took a lot out. It was well on its way to being gasket matched.
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I have never gasket matched a manifold, only port matched them on the head side from a template I have made. My porting template is considerably smaller from a head gasket thanks though.
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by shuttlegoose
I just recieved my ppi manifold and it looks fantastic. I usually won't say things in a thread like this but basic philosophy and human nature has us living in a box. We believe the parts any results that db and other vendors put up. If we don't question the parts and if something may be better than db might as well own the only Evo shop and we would all have his parts. (not bashing I really do like his parts, just an example). If u want to figure out what works, question the vendors on Here and figure it out on your own by doing testing that will question these parts.

I appreciate the positive words and being a small shop it means a lot to me.

Thank You,
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 07:37 PM
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 07:43 PM
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I've had two stock-appearing turbos ported by Buschur as well as an exhaust manifold. The port work was exceptionally precise and even on all of them and extremely reasonably priced. Plus, my car always seemed to make better power than other equivalently modded cars in the area. That was especially true on my BR-ported FP Red, even before my recent full build. Those results are what convinced me to recently go forward with BR porting on the intake manifold and head and the results did not disappoint. Whoever is working for Buschur on the port work is doing a great job IMO.
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PPI
I appreciate the support and kind words!

I take pride in our porting and coating as well as the other parts we bring to the motorsport community

Over the years I have had vendors create threads about me, threaten me and pm members here slandering me all while spreading lies for their own benefit. Little do they know it makes them look childish. I refuse to play their games and get involved with their drama. PPI is above all that.

If anyone has any questions about porting & coating services feel free to pm me, email or call.

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I had 2 choices in manifold PPI or BR. I PM'd both vendors and asked questions. JROD@BR basically told me what they did and Wayne@PPI told me what he did that was different from BR and explained to me that he does a bit more in the way of ported the runners. Plus I based my decision on this: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...deo-added.html

Plus if I'm not mistaken PPI got the first 80mm FP red hotside from me. Car runs great and makes great power the proof is in my number: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...mp-469whp.html

Thanks again Wayne for the great port work.
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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 08:12 PM
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Personally I think that you can do all of the anti reversion tricks you want to, but the turbo is actually such a big restriction to exhaust flow anyways.

Working a DPR has taught me the importance of velocity and temperature, and going too big on any ports can really slow down the spped/energy of the flow. Reversion also is a bigger issue with cams with big overlap.

By no means am I disagreeing with AWDCOUPE, just my .02

Either way, I believe the OP got his answer

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Old Oct 15, 2009 | 08:20 PM
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Wow, the finish on that manifold is nice. Does it stay looking like that after several heat cycles?
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 12:11 PM
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MAP vs. Buschur ported/coated exhaust manifold dyno results are up: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...o-results.html
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO8emUp
Wow, the finish on that manifold is nice. Does it stay looking like that after several heat cycles?
Read one of my previous posts. It doesn't stay as glossy and shiny, but it is VERY durable.
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kracka
MAP vs. Buschur ported/coated exhaust manifold dyno results are up: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...o-results.html
seems thread was locked down before anybody could even comment really
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RockmanX
seems thread was locked down before anybody could even comment really
Yeah I saw that and am fairly confused as to why.
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 12:31 PM
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Yeah we all can still see the clear winner!
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 12:33 PM
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New post is up!
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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 12:34 PM
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Yea did you think that would stay open with the moderators we have here on EvoM??
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