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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 12:17 PM
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hmmm lets try this again double pumper as mellon has seen and tuned plenty of reds that just dont have enough gas. i dont want to run out of **** is what im saying lol. I want to beable to switch to e85 or 35r later and GO if i feel like it. Probaly when i move to texas as they have it there. so i have all in place. lol i think you keep missing that point. double pumper is there so i can make 500 or more on pump no meth. lots of people have stated a single pump will hit a wall at about 460-480 and need more gas to not even have that as a concern im upgrading does not bother me as ALL This stuff is going in at the same time. Evo needs to be suited and booted for action. Ready for anything that could be thrown at it. peace of mind is better to me then just barely getting there. I might relook the open dump now have any in mind?
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
chad, any idea on a release date for the next BBK turbo (whatever its going to be called). I only DD & AX my VIII and was planning on upgrading to a BBK full over the winter, but I wanted to see how this new BBK turbo works out before I pull the trigger.
I remember him mentioning might have changed it but you can upgrade the bbk full to the new one that comes out again might have changed since then but i remember seeing that. if so the go ahead and buy it and just upgrade whenever it hits the marketplace
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 12:20 PM
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I see what you're saying Rockman, but do you think your injectors will be big enough for the "future proofing" you are doing? I suppose since you got a good deal it might not matter for the time.

I pm'd you, Mike!
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by yahu
I see what you're saying Rockman, but do you think your injectors will be big enough for the "future proofing" you are doing? I suppose since you got a good deal it might not matter for the time.

I pm'd you, Mike!
AHHHH now your cooking my friend. My INJECTORS can be changed easily and then retuned during tuning session. adding a double pumper or built block etc takes to much time. i dont mine spending another 300 to get new ones throw them in and retune vs having to lift my car type deal to install new lines for fuel for double pumper. point is all major stuff in in place . minamize downtype seriously

ps. also yahu tell me where you can get brand new injectors for 200 shipped not used for 1000k+ miles. my plan was to get 1000cc injectors anywho to begin with i was never planning on using e85 since jump street
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RockmanX
hmmm lets try this again double pumper as mellon has seen and tuned plenty of reds that just dont have enough gas. i dont want to run out of **** is what im saying lol. I want to beable to switch to e85 or 35r later and GO if i feel like it. Probaly when i move to texas as they have it there. so i have all in place. lol i think you keep missing that point. double pumper is there so i can make 500 or more on pump no meth. lots of people have stated a single pump will hit a wall at about 460-480 and need more gas to not even have that as a concern im upgrading does not bother me as ALL This stuff is going in at the same time. Evo needs to be suited and booted for action. Ready for anything that could be thrown at it. peace of mind is better to me then just barely getting there. I might relook the open dump now have any in mind?
The shearer 02 is the best IMO that can be purchased on the market. However I don't have that dump. I have the best 02 dump on any car, period, hands down and you can ask anyone out in the evo forum. It is the only true 3in 02 housing with a 2in external dump. It also has vband flanges and it eliminates the 2.5in neck down to the donut flange between the downpipe and the 02 housing. There are only 3 02 housing out there that eleminate this donut flange to create a straight through 3in, and I'm the only one of those three that has an externaly dumped. All three were made by the mastermind R/TErnie. I made a post about my 02 dump. Search R/TErnie 3in 02 housing with external dump.

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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 12:34 PM
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does not help me much if it not for sale lol
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RockmanX
AHHHH now your cooking my friend. My INJECTORS can be changed easily and then retuned during tuning session. adding a double pumper or built block etc takes to much time. i dont mine spending another 300 to get new ones throw them in and retune vs having to lift my car type deal to install new lines for fuel for double pumper. point is all major stuff in in place . minamize downtype seriously

ps. also yahu tell me where you can get brand new injectors for 200 shipped not used for 1000k+ miles. my plan was to get 1000cc injectors anywho to begin with i was never planning on using e85 since jump street
I get 1200's for free including installation. The shop I use installed 850s because they didn't have 1200s. If I do need to jump to bigger injectors they will get 1200s and swap them for free!
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 01:02 PM
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does not help me much if it not for sale lol
Thats why I said go Shearer

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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BLKCarbonEVO
The shearer 02 is the best IMO that can be purchased on the market. However I don't have that dump. I have the best 02 dump on any car, period, hands down and you can ask anyone out in the evo forum. It is the only true 3in 02 housing with a 2in external dump. It also has vband flanges and it eliminates the 2.5in neck down to the donut flange between the downpipe and the 02 housing. There are only 3 02 housing out there that eleminate this donut flange to create a straight through 3in, and I'm the only one of those three that has an externaly dumped. All three were made by the mastermind R/TErnie. I made a post about my 02 dump. Search R/TErnie 3in 02 housing with external dump.

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Why would you need a 2" external dump for a small turbo.

And yeah, R/TErnie does some good stuff. My first turbo neon was his manifold, back in 2005. He's a good kid
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by neonglh
Why would you need a 2" external dump for a small turbo.

And yeah, R/TErnie does some good stuff. My first turbo neon was his manifold, back in 2005. He's a good kid
I would put a dump on a stock SRT4 snail and it would be a 2in. You also need to make sure the dump is large enough that the wastegate flapper has enough room to open fully. Thats why a lot of aftermarket dumps get boost creep because the flapper is limited to how far it can open.

I also wouldn't say a Red or Black is a small turbo. They are 3076 and 3582 equal!

Yes I have seen a few of Eric's neon manifolds and they are dope. He does great work. Did you get to see a pic on my thread of my dump of the one that he made for me?

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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 01:16 PM
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I haven't, feel free to PM me a pic if you'd like!
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueEvo61106
Buschur Racing stated: 64whp and 37lbs torque over Red with just swap!

Well there's been a lot of rumors circulating. Speculations and expectations, today the wait is finally over.

FP Evo Black HTA82 is finally here!

Specs on the turbo:
68 lb/mn compressor put inside FP's custom compressor cover with surge port. This is the same new cover being used on the Red's that elminate compressor sure and use a 3.25" inlet.

On the turbine side the turbo uses a 67mm turbine wheel, this is 1mm smaller than the GT35r turbine wheel. It uses a modified stock 10.5 EVO turbine housing.

All of the turbos come standard with the heavy duty actuator and the new oil feed line kit. Pricing is set at $1999. Oil line kit is not pictured.

At the bottom of this page you will find the options of porting which is HIGHLY recommended and also to add a turbo outlet pipe. The porting is standard and will be automatically selected so you will need to select that you do not want it if you do not. The turbo outlet pipe will be needed if you do not currently have a Evo 9 based turbo on your Evo 8.

The comparison below is this car on the Red and then on the Black. Yes, some of you will ask "What does it make on a stock car? What does it make on pump gas? What does it make at 20 psi?" My answer before it's even brought up is I don't know until it is done and tested. For now my testing has been on E85, full build and high boost, that's it and any speculation as to what it will make on a lesser set up with less boost will be answered with "LESS POWER AND LESS TORQUE".

Both of the runs below were done at 40 psi of boost. The timing was held consistent and the AFR's (using gas ratios was, 11.8:1 AFR).

The bottom line is the turbo when keeping the tune and boost "the same" was good for 64 whp and 37 ft lbs of torque. As you will see in the graph below the spool up is extremely close with very little lost in low end power. Substantial gains were made from 4500 rpm up.

This is on there website: https://secure.buschurracing.com/cat...oducts_id=1427
Isn't that on a full 2.0 build? I thought that's what Buschur meant.
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 01:26 PM
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Boost creep = more power
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CBRD
LOL! you do speak the truth LOL LOL!

you can also overdrive turbos sometimes that way lol

cb
Yup! We found out 38 psi is about the structural limit of the stock TD04 SRT4 turbo
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 02:14 PM
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epm has been proven also
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