The facts are, Norris's time attack car makes 920 hp and has ran 9.2 at 160mph on Nitto 555R tires. It weighs 2600 lbs dry.

I highly doubt any of the cars over here are running significantly faster with less power, more weight, or worse tires. I don't follow the drag scene much but let me know if there are cars over here running that fast at that weight on a drag biased street tire.


yeah you dont follow much. buschurs rs ran in the 8s at 168mph (~) on 720hp on his dyno. his car is around 2600lbs if not heavier. nuff said I stated my opinions.

 

Let's not debate who's car is faster and wait for some pictures and final testing please.

 

I am anything but a bushur nuts swinger. I am glad he got booted. But the joke is on evom. he already moved 70% of evo actives over to his new site. this morning there were 420 active on here. 900+ active on HBF. I may hate his personality but you cant argue he has more knowledge than anyone about how to build a fast 4g63. so get over it.

 

both valid opinions from scorke and 94'.

simon did run 9.2 getting sideways in 1st he never got the green car to launch cleanly I think.

i think a 1000 hp on norris engine dyno would be lilke 750 - 800 on Buschur.

you do also have to look at the powerband of the typical 1000 hp norris engine.

 

this can be done and controlled with a good standalone (AEM EMS, Motec, etc)

2 options:

1) S300V billett titanium VNT turbocharger - it would work, but has to be run on ethanol only - this vnt is not rated for gasoline temps

2) twin turbo BV50s - these are the turbos from the porsche, in twin turbo config on an evo it would be insane. $7000 for the two turbos alone, before the manifolds, plumbing, etc.

 

I dont really get the idea of ALLL this silly argument.. Sooooo silly.. Really!!

Norris is NOT looking for high end power, nor is he looking for high end torque.. I doubt that his project is actually aimed at drag strips!!! The reason WHY hes doing such step is because he wants to develop something that can help torque to come at lower RPM.. THATs IT!!

Most people here (including me) would love to have a car that produces torque from low-down, and thats why people here are STILL buying Reds and BBKs, coz they give you good power without lagging!!

I think it would be much better if you people appreciate what people does if thier aim is doing something useful for the Evo community..

If you're not convinced with this project then just forget about it and get a T04Z that opens at 6000+ and enjoy its power after waiting for the turbo to open within 5+ seconds everytime you floor the throttle at a red signal.

 

Kevin, i think, and hope, Simon will be using a bypass valve. Im guessing he mount the supercharger below the manifold. thats will keep the install nice and simple.

As for pipe routes it should be just like mormal. air filter, turbo and intercooler in the normal spot. Im guessing that then it will go into a Y pipe. One end going to the supercharger and then the manifold. the other end going stright to the manifold with a boot actuated bypass vavle mounted just before the manifold.

so at low RPM the bypass valve will be closed and the supercharger will be doing the work. Once the turbo stats to spool and the pipe between the turbo and supercharger bbecomes presurised then the valve will start to open. Once the turbo is fully upto speed the valve will be fully open and not limiting airflow at all! the supercharger will just be sat there spinning but not doing ANY WORK as the presure on both sides will be equal.

The only problem is where to put the throttle body. I think it just needs to go before the Ypipe.

This is the only way i can see it working! Simon says that there is a perfectly smooth transision form the supercharger to turbo. i can see of any other way of doing it!!!

What do you think?????

Chris.

 

1/4 mile times are just like dynos for messuring power! There are FAR to many veriables!!! Temp., track, prep, tyres, gears, gearboxes, drives, do i need to go on????

Im not critising anyones works here. Bushur builds some AMAZING cars! and they are very fast at the tracks there. Would they be as fast as over here at Santa pod? i dont think so as the track prep is not as good over here!

Its all about using the power you have! clearly this is something bushur is doing very well at the track! however would it beat a 300bhp WTCC Seat around Silverstone GP track? no! the SEAT with its slicks, full race suspension, aero, etc is DESIGNED to be fast around the track. Davids car is DESIGNED to be fast down the 1/4 mile. the same applies to simon's car. although he is trying to do both with his! lol

Not trying to be an ***.

Cheers

Chris.

 

3) a compound boosted setup using a high presure GT28 and a Low presure GT42 or bigger.

 

If you slip on the line your trap speed will be higher than with no slip. So your argument doesnt hold much water. Its actually working against you. as if norris car didnt slip on the line his trap speed would have been lower than the 160 it trapped with poor traction. so that means the track dyno shows norris making even less power than his 160 trap suggests.

Forgive the bench racing but 1000ho on norris dyno is likely around 700 on buschur dyno.

cheers

 

94, good point on trap speeds. However i dont agree that you can judge power on the trap speeds of a totally different car at a different track! No one is saying bushur's car isn't faster in the 1/4. The only way to settle the argument is get both engines on the same engine dyno on the same day! And we all know that will never happen. Lol cheers chris.

 

now can we please get back on topic? Lol. What people are forgetting is this isn't about simon make xxxxbhp its about the product he is developing that can work on any evo and let everyone have their cake and eat it! Lol this twincharge setup looks like it will work with pretty much any turbo! So you can run a gt35 or a gt47-88 and you will still be seeing 15psi of boost at 2000rpm. Who else is bringing something like that to the evo market? cheers chris

 

Geoff, what is the power range of the BW S300V turbo? what would the spools times be? Are there any larger VNT turbos out there that could be used?

Cheers

Chris.

 

thats pretty damn cool

 

that evo was always insane.. you never know whats next on it