Plan ahead, don't buy HKS cams, their weak. Take it from a guy that has gone through them and Comp 280's and now on Kelford 280's.

Plan ahead, realize your goals and then get the parts to make the HP you want. Buying 2 or 3 sets of cams is waste of money, same goes for injectors. I have been through 760, 880, 1000, 1250, 1600, and now I have a dual rail set up with Bluemax 1550 and 1850's.

If you worried about lag for the time being either deal with it, or don't install them until you have everything else lined up and ready to be installed.

 

I like to add supporting mods as I can afford them and prepare the car for a larger turbo instead of just throwing on a big turbo and then modding to use it. I would do: injectors, cams, ported exhaust mani, ported intake mani, then turbo. Throw a clutch in there when the stocker starts to slip.

 

Lol ya man I bought this car to make big power with. I was hoping to have some kind of turbo setup by the summer time. Seems like I need to start keeping my questions to the TSE forums though.

 

if ur going to buy a black with those mods , and stay like that dont do it .. but if u buy the black and u are sure u willl continue buying the supporting mods then buy the black bro ..

 

best advice here. Exactly what im doing buying everything then installing at one time. just cuase you cop it now does not mean it needs to get installed. but yes the black will require alot more to be worth the price tag long as your going to continue to grow 2.3 block ported parts etc id buy the black but if you just trying to dodge and shoot and make power then you need to go to something smaller like a hta green or bbk full

 

First potential problem I see is this. Big power costs big money 100% of the time. If not sooner, definitely later. Don't aim for more than you can realistically afford, or you will be selling this car sooner than you think. If you're not financially prepared to deal with a (stock) rod through the block right now, you're not really standing on stable ground.

What others are trying to relay to you is that a larger turbo and cams and such means reduced response and relatively laggy street characteristics as compared to what you have. If you're not more than making up for that on the top end, you're no better than where you started. The best path to what you seek is to prepare the motor first, get the turbo later. It's always cheaper to rebuild a good motor than to deal with a blown one, and the only way a turbo like an FP Black is going to justify its cost is to force it to generate power that puts your present situation in jeopardy.

Be patient.

 

great way to put it!! i think thats the best advice on here lol

 

But a Black is not much more than a bbk/green/red/arms and is able to make the same power as the rest on pump with more lag. Once the motor is built and you start cranking on it the black is ready to go as well. Having more turbo than you need just takes some restraint to not turn it to 40psi and destroy your motor.

 

Ted B, Thanks for your advice. When I say limited amount of money I mean limited right now. I get spending money in chunks every month or two, and all of this money can and will go on my Evo. I just don't have it all right now because I'm not in a rush to buy everything right now, so I see no need to tap my savings. I also don't like spending huge amounts of money at one time, but money shouldn't be an issue because my current work situation is very good and looks like it will be good for a while.

Batty, ya that is what I am thinking and I was looking for advice on what are the minimum mods to run a Black on. I will keep adding and building as time goes on. Is it worth it to me to stroke and build the motor before I do a turbo? Not really. Maybe I can buy the black since it's on sale now and hold onto it until I am ready to spend more money on the motor, but I figured I could have some enjoyment out of a black on lower boost until I am ready to raise it.

 

Get a BBK

 

You can always add a turbo whenever.

I really suggest doing it once and once only though unless you have deep pockets and dont mind making changes a couple of times. Pick a number for both power and budget, and stick with that. IF the Black fits both of those goals go ahead and do it. With all the supporting mods you can make 450whp+ which I think is fairly reliable on a stock block. On a bigger turbo I made 496/337 @ 23psi (pumpgas 3586) and I continue to think and preach its the torque number and profile that breaks the motor. Sure there are the freak accidents but power doesnt do it by itself.

 

+1

you could do S2's with springs/retainers on the stock turbo i think awd motorsports or english racing made a thread about the S2's on the stock turbo (although think it was on the IX).

I've been doing a lot of research on the Red and the BBK. I'm deploying in sept so I'm going to wait until I get back to do the Red but for now I'm going to run meth on the stock turbo. Should be good for at least 450whp 450wtq. You said you were going to build the motor down the line, but how many months/years would that be? If you're going to do a turbo upgrade, I'd go with the Red or the BBK-XL (when it comes out). When/IF you ever DO decide to build the motor, you can see about switching turbos, but it's kind of pointless to run the Black on the stock motor with anything under 32psi. just IMO and good luck! (FYI people have ran 9's with the Red but just not trapping as high as the black)

 

I wouldn't step up to a black with just those mods..you will have so much lag. You would be able to make more power and quicker with a green or red.

 

The lag is minimal with the black to be honest. Sure its not stock, but its not horrible.

 

I think the Mac truck spool is worth it alone