I think the bottom line here is...in order to really be certain ALL cylinders are getting the juice, run a separate injector for each cylinder. Would mean tapping into your intake manifold, but if it would keep this from happening then it would be worth it.

I have personally been debating over the use of the meth juice for a while. Like 3 yrs!! I think I am going to bite the bullet and do E85. Not so easy to get, but I do have access to it. I will just need to buy some fuel containers to keep some on hand and make like a monthly trip to the station. Since I put about 7K miles a year on my car, it would work I feel. I will always have my laptop with me anyway in the event I am left somewhere with no E85, I would just upload a 91 map and Im good to go. I could go with a map switch, but I have my laptop and its always in my car anyway, so why mess with the map switch.

I would like to see 400/400 on E85 on my stock turbo. With my mods, its will be a close call. So I will keep you all posted if you like to see where it lands. Tuning will be done on a Mustang Dyno, so the figures should be realitively accurate. Will see.............

 

This thread is misleading and create a great deal of uncertainty amongst many meths users. There are lots of piston pictures but none on the WMI system. not even a small picture of the jet.

Mike of AWD, are you able to post a few pictures of the meths system and perhaps some installation. Without those information, it will be a pure wmi bashing thread...

 

^^ its what i've come to expect unfortunately. If you come out a bash a certain product or tuning method, at least back it up more them then a couple piston pictures.

 

It is WMI bashing, yes, but its a possibility of what "could" happen if it is not done up right. Most people, sad to say, half *** their cars. Not many of us, can afford to have pro's do all the work, all the tuning, and what not, and things like this happen.

I do recall reading an article on Boost Forums, where David Buschur did bench flow testing for the Evo 8 Intake. In those studies the #1 cylinder was the hardest to get more flow to. He used this data to try and have a decent ported OEM intake available for the Evo's but seems its a dificult task to do because of the Throttle Body design.

So if, and I say IF the Evo has issues with Meth and a #1 cylinder, its a possibility, but it also shows how crucial placement of the injectors are. I feel that if I were to run WMI and I have the $$$ for my HFS-3 kit in my hand as we speak, I may need to do a direct port set up. Basically have an injector for each port. This would ensure proper distribution of the juice. Problem is, this adds a substantial cost to the project.

Now with a propper failsafe set up, if a pump goes bad, plugged up line or a failed line goes, a decent Temphra mod hooked up to the HFS-3 should be sufficant to save the motor in time. Its testing these failsafes to ensure that they do indeed work, and not just go of the "hope' that they do.

I am a fan of WMI, I wanted it because I have no E85 within 40 miles of my house, and I live in a very warm climate. The WMI just seemed like the right ticket. I now must think of the "what ifs" because I simply can't afford to replace my motor. Like most of us on here.

With every mod, comes its risk vs. reward factor, but adding a tune, cams and an exhaust is less likely to blow a motor when done right. WMI is the shizzle when done right, but thats the question. How does the consumer know if its done "right". If we knew, we would do it ourselves. As far as I know, Joe Blow Tuner doing it has NO CLUE how to it correctly.. The Tuner can Play the part that he or she does, but well you see where I cam going? Its a toss up. Not many tuners in SoCal will touch a car with Meth. So that concerns me. Its either they are lazy and don't want to tune it right, or they know something I don't.

On that note, is it a risk, your willing to take??? That is the question I have been asking myself for 2 yrs. now.

UPDATE::: Here is the Link to the Boost Forum Page that I was talking about http://www.evo-tech.net/forums/showthread.php?t=261

 

I am extremely busy.. the parts from the last car are packed int he customers trunk and i couldnt get the intercooler piping out yet for pics..

there is NOTHING misleading about this thread... as the post above me is very clear as well.. this shows WHAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN YOU USE METH.. it does not say ALL METH SYSTEMS will cause this.. it does not say THIS IS A GUARANTEE when using METH.. it says BE AWARE of what can happen when you run METH on your car.. PLAIN AND SIMPLE..

Here are the FACTS.. MORE THAN 80% of the cars i see with Cracked Pistons have METH on the car.. is it a coincidence you can make the decisions on your own.. The other 20% have 500+ hp pusing the limits of the motor, failed fuel pumps, poor tuning or just bad luck..

Mike

 

Mike put us to rest and give us the complete story, post some meths pictures.

Your recent update on page #1 contained no meths related pictures but instead we get more cracked piston images. All you needed to do was to point the camera at the wmi system instead of the pistons. It will take the same amount of time. If you has done that, you needn't have to spend more of your time justifying your post.

If 20 smokers come to the hospital diagnosed with lung cancer, you cannot categorically assume the other 20 thousand smokers out there have the same ailment.

There are thousands of meth injected cars out there without cracked pistions. From the title of the thread, it is fringed on misleading. I can be certain that there are lots more modified engines out there with cracked pistons that do not run meth injection.

Let have some meth system related pictures so that your case is proven beyond any doubt. Please don't post anymore pistion pictures.

 

Ill get some pics of what i can shortly..

While you are correct that there are many other engines that might have cracked pistons i still have to ask myself.. Why do 8 out of 10 cracked ones we see have meth on the car.. Coincidence?? Maybe Im just lucky to get them all towed in here.. Im not sure.. pics coming up soon..

Mike

 

I asked mike simple questions 1 month ago. He has the vehicle(s) in possession. Posts everyday, but no time to take a quick pic or answer a direct question.

 

You live close, ride by here sometime..check out the 13 evos and 8 of them with no motor.. if you had the 1st clue how busy we are right now you might change you opinion.. its not my JOB to post pics of things i cant even get my hands on at the moment..

 

Lol mike. No one told you to create this thread. I guess you don't take restroom breaks, lunch or anything. If you're that busy you're going to have to move to another location.

Funny how you had time to respond to my post lol

 

I work online.. thats my job here.. I dont have the time to unload an entire trunk for a UICP..

I just went to the 1st car that has the blown motor and the pump i cannot see who makes it.. its mounted below the bottle and in the fender well.. Ill load pics of his nozzle location for you METH Advocates that are going nuts..

I also pay to be a vendor here and help Educate my customers of the potential risks of WMI.. ill create new threads for EVRY SINGLE car that comes thru here blown with meth.. Matter of fact i have a BLOWN X here now too meth.. Ill take some pics..

Mike

 

Car #1.. 5 or so more to go..

 

Here is another good question for you that it isnt an 80% of the time answer..

Why 98% of the time if the motor has detonated pistons , melted pistons on a motor that DOES NOT HAVE METH its not just 1 and 2?? ponder that one for me too.. I am just providing my personal findings at AWD.. the members can make an educated decision on what they want to do with their car.. Only thing i know is here at AWD we DO NOT install meth kits and we avoid tuning them as well..


Mike

 

Lol Again. So condonscending. We are here to educate customers from threads sucH as these that make accusations without substantiating the claim.

"so you have meth injection. Are your pistons cracked?"

If this is what it takes to bring more attention and "business" to you. Good for you. Companies like Aquamist that make a quality product rely on meth for sales. How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot?

 

All i have said was is it a coincidence that 8 of 10 have meth?? is it odd that 1/2 pistons are usually the hurt ones when meth is on car.. and lastly none of these cars have shown to have an aquamist system..

With that said if i was seeing blown up cars come in all the time with E85 i wouldnt point the finger at BP would I?? im not pointing it at aquamist as well..

further more if 80% of the cars i see blown up had Nitrous on them i would say " you have NAWSSS are your pistons cracked".. however the similarities between 80% of the cars here blown is METH so one must raise an eyebrow..

Mike