I cant be responsible for how others choose to tune and setup cars.. Of course a safe boost cut is supposed to be in place.. I have also seen on 2 occassion when customers use the hi boost / Low Boost setting as pump gas and race gas.. And magically it ends up on high boost on pump.. GAME OVER.. I like simplicity.. Clockwise more boost, counter less..

 

exactly.

aw, man. that would suuuuck. i've done things that are more dumb than that. i guess we gotta learn the hard way, sometimes. LOL

 

I come from the world of turbocharged 1G neons (with engine similar to 420A eclipse). Those engines are notorious for smoking the #1 cylinder. My theory is the intake manifold design causes that cylinder to run more lean than the rest while in boost. I'm new to the evo but its interesting to read that the #1 is yet again a culprit.

 

This comment makes good sense rather a sweeping statement "meths injection cracks pistons" and only be used FTL.

Has anyone seen how the water droplets behave inside the pleum under boost conditions? Until someone has taken a real time video, jumping to conclusion based on a few blow engines is not too helpful. It is a bad form of negative marketing for E85.

 

I think Mike@AWD is basing this post off of more then just a FEW blown motors.

 

20+ motors, I believe.

Without the details of what who's kit, how it was tuned and if the wmi systems have adquate failsafe incorporated. Otherwise the claim is base-less.

I have asked if more details are available but without answers. I am aware if many cars out there running meth without failsafe. I would be more comfortable if the contents were a bit more refined.

 

meth is fine with the proper failsafes(especially with the how tephra built in some features for extra ecu based protection), sorry some of you guys lost your motor, but claiming it can't be done is just stupid because many do.

awd probbly just doesn't sell them anymore, is out of the market...so is just talking the usual crap that mike does

 

Or maybe he is basing his comments on his EXPERIENCE.

Some of you guys kill me. If E is available in your area it would almost be retarded to not run it instead of Meth. Too many moving parts, fail safes that could fail, etc.

I think we can all just agree to disagree at this point. Good points made on both sides. Appreciate aquamist getting on the thread.

I actually appreciate everyone in the thread that had something helpful to add. This community is all about learning

 

Here is a link to a video show some mad activatives inside a pleumn under boost. Some clues.

http://www.aquamist.co.uk/vbulletin/...read.php?t=624

It was sent to me by someone who shared the same curiousity and decided to do something about it.

 

This post is all about the "Battle of the Wits". An engine is only as good as the sum of its parts. People now a days, go the "cheap" way out, buy kits designed for 1960 muscle cars and slap it on their Evo and think all is swell.

Cars are so dependent on "technology" these days, that the same thing that creates all this "power" for our very small 2.0 motor is also its crutch. The "theory" of WI has been around since WW2 and has proven to successful. The adoption of the avation idea to the Automobile took years to master. Its STILL being mastered. Since there are so many variable, and so many different "what ifs" in an auto application the manufacturer has to rely on "Key" ponts that apply to all cars in general by type. Forced Induction or Not.

People are very quick to judge but it shows how bad the engineering aspect of the claims are. To answer the real "why's" is not easy as, "Its because of the WI". If an engines charactoristic is that a certain cylinder gets hot under normal operation, how do people think it will be when boost is cranked up? Assuming that IS the trait.

Personally, I think certain vendors have an "edge" in the import market over their competetors. I have no affiliation with any Vendor here, but Aquamist I believe hands down has more experience with WMI on small displacement turbo cars than ANY OTHER vendor in the market. Problem is...they are also the most expensive. So people pass on the quality of engineering and buy a kit for a 1960's muscle car. Their car goes boom, and then you blame the WI.

So think it through when you do this. Meth is an EXCELLENT choice WHEN USED CORRECTLY. But as Ego's get bigger as the HP goes up, so do your chances of a failure. Keep it in the rehlm of what the kit was designed for, have a tuner that specializes in WI do the install and the Tuning. Keep up on Maintenance and I am sure your car will last many years.

Just my 10 cents.

 

http://www.alamomotorsports.com/FJO/FJOWISpray3.wmv

FJO video inside pipe. looks like atomization is quite good.

 

Good find.

It would be nice to have more videos of this kind. More so if it could be under boost situations.

 

I don't think other manufacturers is less experienced than aquamist nowadays. We started in the early 90s where all our product is geared towards the works rally and wrc teams. We made very little impression in the US in 1997 when we exported this aftermarket concept to the US. The marketing efforts were not well rewarded until 2001 - despite countless magazine articles and trade shows appearances such as the pri and sema.

I remembered well when one guy walked past our booth and commented... "injecting water into engines? You must be kidding me" looked bewilded as he staggered away from our view. That was at the PRI show at Indianapolis, only the hardcore racers were supposed to be there. It was also my first sight of a red neck, prompted by our US representative.

I believe it is down to each wmi manufacturer's approach to the market. It appeared to me some wmi makers just wants to sell to the masses and enjoy having the image of being the biggest and the greatest. Some just jump on the bandwagon because it the next biggest thing that hits the tuning market. With the mind set, price and volume is everything to them, quality is secondary.

It is like giving a 10 year old a box of matches or 16 year old an bottle of nitrous. How can any responsible wmi maker promote a meth system without any failsafes, claiming high power gains with hyped up magazine articles. How can any 20 year old resists such a wondeful product for $199!

Before 2003, we are the only high pressure wmi maker in the performance market. By 2007 there are 20+, some have disappeared since. I would say 90% did not ever have a dash light to indicate the system was spraying, tank level sensor is a premium product. Sad to say, 2010 only sees a hand full of kits come with a turbine flow sensor based failsafe. Out of those few, only one can send out a failsafe signal after power failure, this implementation was only a recent revision.

No one except aquamist and FJO (no failsafe) uses the PWM valve technology. All others still use the PPS (progressive pump speed) system. I will not go into this technology too much.

Now you can see why the wmi market is constantly being attacked and bad posts are frequent.

 

Update to original post.. Carry on with the discussion..

Mike

 

Mike,

Read your update, I would very much like to know where the nozzle/nozzles was placed and perhaps who manufacature the kit.

Is the system progressive or single stage and are there any failfafe?

Great if you can help with a few of the answers.

Richard