Id also like to say that maybe this thread will be a good heads up for the meth manufacturers to see what goes on with many end users.. Maybe they need more thorough instructions, maybe the dealers who install these kits need courses on how to install them.. or maybe there needs to be another way to apply meth to the motor such as Direct port systems.. The only way i would even consider it..

The problem with direct port systems is the cost.. many meth users looking for the quick bandaid for more boost and power.. If i quoted a customer 1500 for direct port meth kit installed they probably would run for the hills.. just more to ponder on..

also Mr Evoryder maybe just maybe you could thank the guy who is not afraid to lose 50k a year in meth labor and sales by letting the customers know of the potential risks.. I dont see a certain meth advocate and install shop where a few these cars came from saying anything at all.. so if it isnt the install shops fault, it isnt the meth manufacturers fault whos fault is it when they blow?? maybe nobody, its just a risk you take..

Mike

 

Good job mike. I know you and your crew have traveled 8 seconds, but that doesn't make you god. You are going to reply blah blah blah I never said this or that. Your post and undertones suggest different. Less bias and more good information.

 

Seems you want to just take things off topic.. Never said i was god, never asks to to called god.. has nothing to do with going 8 second.. answer my questions now.. stop bantering..

 

AWD Motorsports, thanks for sharing your findings and observations relating to this. By chance, would you happen to recall what turbos were used on these (8 out of 10) cars? Or anything else.

Thanks

 

Lets think.. the X is stock turbo, the 1st motor in the pic is 35r, the 2nd motor is 35r, 3rd motor i am going to take apart is a red turbo, the last 1 that we just rebuilt i never took any pics i forgot has some tiny 18G or something weird.. Made 400hp @18 lbs and only 450 @ 26..

Mike

 

What question? All the questions you seem to ask are rhetorical.

You choose to not install meth kits. Ok. Maybe you don't want repeat customers with issues that may be install related. Any car built or not can blow up at anytime. Fact.

Meth injection requires attention. Customers pay installers for that.

I get where your coming from. I just think your approach sucks.

 

Mike, thanks, exactly what I am looking for.

Please educate me, I don't have a evo, the nozzles are close by the throttle plate? Please keep them coming, I know your time is precious but a thread title as outspoken as this should warrant further clarification to back up your claim.

Although I do not have an evo but I have years of involvement of the tuning with meth, water or mix of both. Nozzle placement is vitally important to the even cylinder distribution. We are adamant on placing the nozzle as far away from the TB as posisble, ideally at the exit of the FMIC. Other factors can also cause uneven cylinder distribution. Fill a jar wih a spoonful of salt, blast some compress air into it, you will see the salt do not get pinned at the bottom of the jar.

Your conclusion of meths system causes cracked piston is ill conceived, only by examining the real cause of the failure, your
claim will be exonerated. Please keep the pictures coming.

All those cars that came to your garage with blown engines, are they your existing customer?

 

All of these cars here and that have ever come here were other shops customers who were tuned on meth.. I have tuned maybe 2-3 cars on meth in 3 years that i recall..

The throttle plate is about 2" further away from where you see the coupler..

Mike

 

In the future what i can do is as they come in i can document it before i take the car apart where the nozzle is, what system, 50/50 or 100% etc.. I cant say who tuned though..

Mike

 

You saw the pic of the UICP.. is the nozzle in a proper location?? approx 6" from TB i think..

Do you believe that the 80% of blow cars is meth or coincidence??

do you beleive that the 98% of blown cars without meth arent cyl 1 and 2 only like meth to be a coincidence.. here are a few questions to start..

Mike

 

It would appear the business choices i have made have been the right ones.. All the cars being towed in came from other shops who tuned and or installed the meth.. If i was tuning and or installing the meth and it was NOT my fault that it blew would my customers be towed into other shops??

I make things real easy.. Phone rings.. Hello AWD Motorsports.. Yes my motor blew last night.. Really?? do you have METH on the car.. YES how did you know that?? EXPERIENCE..

Well i guess it doesnt always go like that.. but 80% of the time it does..

Mike

 

Q1: that's a little close.

Q2: could be a coincidence. 80% of your meth customers have bad luck.

Q3: see above

 

This thread has become silly beyond belief.

3+ years ago ALL of the big Evo builders sold Meth kits and spoke about the benefits. Meth / Water injection benefits have been documented over and over from numerous, unbiased sources. Unfortunately improper setup, non-existent failsafes, and/or bad luck can lead to engine carnage.

No question, if I had access to e85 I would use it. Until then Meth/water helps .

 

Nitrous can blow your car up with an inproper tune......tons of cars still run it... I believe this thread was started with the right intent in mind, but its turned into a witch hunt of WMI systems......

 

Correct it was started with the right intent and not to be malicious towards any Meth Manufacturer.. it was meant to be informative for those blind to the fact of the dangers of meth..