May be it is time to put this thread back into it orignial topic:

So you have Meth Injection.. Are your pistons also cracked??

This post is not about WMI vs E85, they can exist side by side or can co-exist. I can see if the discussion continues, it will become one of those meaningless thread, in the end none gets wiser.

AWD, as far as I gathered and learnt from talkling to Mike on this thread, he stated hasn't used wmi for years nor has he any intention to try it in the future. I did offer him this opportunity but he preferred to dismiss it.

Back to the topic in hand, posting images of a few cracked pistons placed the blame solely on WMI... as titled. Only after many requests from readers, he posted an image of a pair of poorly positioned nozzles. With a bit of hindsight and consideration for other companies. He could have worded the title and the opening post with some degree of humility.

This is not the kind of marketing I expect from a well respected company who only sells E85 related products. We have been designing and manufacturing WMI systems since the late 90s and have served the motorsport industries for two decades, in professional and street level. I have never posted an image of a blown piston in public and told people they must run WMI to prevent this from happening, nor did I ever used the terms ftw or ftl.

The concept of WMI has been proven and uses since the second world war on fighter planes, formula1 and wrc cars with great success. Also thousands of EVOs on this forum has used it with great effect for many years.

Gentlemen, please return to the main topic of discussion. It does not need to involve E85 despite Mike would like this discussion in this direction, but that will belong to another topic on another thread title.

So... What other factors could have caused this and will a cracked piston be the fate of every WMI user?

 

E85 may be a fine alternative for some, but E85 is soo limited as far as availability goes. No one in Canada can run it, and tons of people in the states don't even have access to it. I don't see why this has to be a thread saying one or the other.....

As Richard mentioned the only "proof" that was shown was some poorly set up WMI system that failed......well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why it was ill fated from the start..IMO start naming names (of manufactures) and prove it with pics.

 

Yes this thread has really gone off-topic especially with "why I'd rather have E-85 instead of water/alcohol injection". I would really like to see pictures posted of the water/alcohol injection kits in question, installation of these kits, and the condition of the pumps that caused the damage. Mike@AWD has already posted the aftermath of what he thinks has happened.

I would like to please ask the Moderators to review this thread to see if it should be closed if it continues to go no where. The op is really the only person right now that I would like to see input from.

 

I kinda agree about the poor wording/title of this thread, but you cant really say he is wrong.

Meth kits are NOT a 100% reliable. If they were, they wouldn't need "fail safes". Even a perfectly setup meth kit with failsafes can fail and take out a motor.

 

And further the point is WMI kits unless you spend more money for a really GOOD kit such as the one Richard from Aquamist sells then maybe mike would see less cars blowing up from meth.

Regardless of why they blew up...the fact is there are more cars blowing up from meth then other power adders like E85. If the kit was bad....guess what it was still the meth kit that did it.

Now if no one has had a problem with Aquamist then if I never had E85 available I would consider Aquamist but the fact of the matter is besides them it seems that other kits that were purchased in abundance are more prone to failures.

Maybe other WMI companies need to step their game up so there are less threads then this. I have no stuck in E85 companies is I have nothing to gain from slamming meth but I have seen a lot more issues with meth users then alternatives.

 

I said the title was wrong and what it was implying. Until we know the real cause, it is still a conjecture from Mike.

The arguement of having a failsafe can also be applied to a stock car, it has knock sensors, lambda probes, oil pressure snesor, engine temperature sen .. etc. Does that That makes stock car several times less reliable than a WMI system?

The point I was making is that Mike was not intersted in finding out the reason for the piston damage or he would have posted more clues. He has taken enough pictures of the piston and engine, why not post the "real" culprit... the WMI system that caused this catastrophe?

 

I agree with you in principle. There are more wmi kits out there that does not have a failsafe, so there will be more blown engines to come for sure. Again I don't want to bring E85 into this because it is not what this thread is about. We have already discussed it in some details on this thread.

I am disappointed that I am the only wmi representative here making an effort questioning Mike's accusation. Rightly or wrongly, I like to get to the bottom of this.

I don't think you are slamming the wmi companies at all, you are just pointing out the obvious and the painful truth of the wmi industry. This is the part I agree with you 100%. I do hate to defend the indefensibles and irresponsibles...






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One more worth mentioning:
The water injected 1300HP 12cyl dual-turbo Porsche 918 race car from the 70's. One car retired with over 100,000 race miles on original engine.

 

This is breath of fresh air on a pretty gloomy thread, thanks for the input. We have been supplying WI to a Le Mans 24 hours race car until WI was banned for unfair our customer had an unfair advantages by injecting water.

 

Seriously, what a BS thread. I have seen more than one motor go on E85 and have seen more than meth failure. Guess what, I have seen more than both combined on good old pump fuel.......

If you buy cheap injectors or pumps and run E85, bad stuff will happen. If you buy a cheap meth kit and are pushing the limits, bad stuff will happen. If you buy quality parts and install,tune and maintain them regularly chances are you will not have issues.

I would reccommend strongly that if you decide to go down the WMI path then buy an aquamist and direct port it for ultimate piece of mind if you are tuning aggressively. Also if you don't think you are capable of pulling out and inspecting/cleaning the jets and or setting up the failsafes perfectly, stay away from WMI, it's not for you.

PS: from what i have seen on the tuning section, people aiming for 12.5afr without direct port no wonder this guy has 20+ blown motors...........

PPS: you must read this in an Australian accent...... mates

 

Does direct port injection require a custom kit install? Richard, you posted a picture of a direct port rail setup and had several inquiries about it but haven't responded. I assume that means it's a prototype, or not available to the public.

Does it make any sense to also have a 5th jet in the UICP to help cool the intake charge? Is there a maximum number of jets the Aquamist pumps can handle?

 

Thank god for all the Self tuners with the 100.00 Cable.. keeps me packed all year...

 

Lol mike

 

1 of my 1st meth experiences was from a E-tuner too stupid to know he was hydrolocking the motor.. 1st bent rod motor replacement from twin nozzle meth setup.. Wouldnt have mattered if jesus made the meth kit.. He was determined to blow the guys car up.. You know the owner of the car too.. from Miami..

Mike

 

BIG LOL ! nice call.

self tuning is fine, providing you know what you are doing