Richard, was that Le Mans car injecting 100% water?

The Porsche too, same question, if anybody knows.
I still remember seeing that car race, at Road America, the one year it was allowed. Who could forget. It was mind-blowingly fast, so much more acceleration than any of the other cars.

 

Jeff from howerton engineering posted my direct port injection kit today for my HFS-3

 

I am sorry, I am unable to keep up with fast response at all time. I may also have missed your post.

There are several ways to achieve direct post injection. Batch fired or Sequentially fired. At present we can only do batch fired.

I have posted an image of the Direct Port manifold earlier. They are available from Jeff if Howertonengineering.com

As far as the sequantial version, it is being worked on. Mechanically and elecronically, it is functioning exactly as designed. We still need more time to work on the failsafe. This product will almost enable user to uses dual fuel, pump or M100 with a flick of a switch. This belongs to another thread.

 

F1, Le Mans and wrc all used 100% water. So is this one.

 

This is the thread I missed.
The aquamist system can support up to 1600cc/min. More than enough for an average 800bhp+ engine.


Direct port (batch fired) does not require a special controller but needs the following (in our case):

1. Extra jets and adaptor
2. A optional 30 micron filter after the 100micron filter is recomnmended or
3. An optional aquamist high pressure inline filter see picture below.
4. An 1 in, 4 out splitter.
5. A extra jet with an inline checkvalve at the exit of the IC to perform charge air cooling.

 

you are going all out, all of a sudden! lol

 

I think i know who you're talking about.

 

I don't drive my car hard but I do have an Aquamist kit & run alcohol + 28 PSI on pump 93. I have 2 nozzles at the TB and wouldn't I be seeing knock if I was having this problem? The tuner would also see knock when tuning the car (I would think so). I am already going through the scinarios in my head thinking about getting a new short block . Damn, thanks Mike for posting this info!!! I would have kept up with this setup so you may have saved my motor (tests to follow to confirm). I am surprised this isn't well known by the shops that are installing these kits. Direct port seems like the only solution and that will be a much more involved install. Hmmmm, I don't think there is anywhere to buy E85 in Connecticut so it looks like maybe the FP Black wasn't the best choice for me.

How much boost were the people with the engine failure running? This is important info to me. I was limited to 28 PSI because of my stock clutch (and I am glad now). How much boost are people with alcohol/methanol injection (w/ 93 octane) running out there - with say a red or black?

"If it seems too good....it probably is!!!" - unknown

 

All, I have posted a new thread with a formal response to this thread.

I swear to god people treat alky injection like its a mosque at ground zero. Learn up peeps!

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ml#post8610024

 

There is a big difference between TB installation on a PPS (progressive) pump speed system and a TB installation on an Aquamist system.

I will explain. Aquamist is a "constant pressure" system regardless of spray quantity, line pressure is primed and ready at 160psi at all time so droplet size is naturally small. This allows a bit more head room on the positioning of the nozzle. The reason behind recommending post IC install is purely to do with having even better droplet distrubution.

As you probably know that all non-aquamist systems on the wmi market don't use this method of delivery. They alter flow by changing pump speed. Some WMI systems have an line valve option but they are just static valves, open or shut. This is to stop run-on dribble. So don't be confused.

PPS (progressive pump speed) system controls flow by varying the speed of the pump motor thus lspray pressure. Although it is not in a linear relation, nevertheless they regard them as a progressive system, loosely. At high flow, pressure is high and droplet size is small, so no problem there. But at medium flow, the pressure is lower in comparison so droplet size gets bigger. At low flow, atomisation is nil almost down to a dribble.

For this kind of system, placement of nozzle is vital. Ironically, almost all of them recommend a TB install. Other factors such as the ability of the rotating pump mass to change speed during load transients, it does promote lean spots. Someone has confirmed this on an earlier thread. Knock count will be high and if persisted, damage piston may result.

So don't be too concerned if run TB nozzle with an aquamist system.

 

hahahaha

 

These race cars using WI, did they have a nozzle for every cylinder? Or were some of them successful with just 1 nozzle for the whole engine?

 

I see the posts switching to going with a direct multi point design for the install on the Evo. Richard, as nice as that is, most people can't afford that kind of set up. It is nice that its available, but your kits should work plenty fine with a nozzle or two in the UICP.

This has been a very interesting post. Much has been said, and many Ego's are getting hurt, and people's opinions are flying out of the woodwork.

The reason why E85 is being mentioned is for 1) it is available to the masses in certian loacations. 2) cheaper than 87 and packs the punch of VP110 3) provides some cooling affect to the cylinders as does Meth/Water. So its valid to introduce it as an option. Argue the fact or not. Its an option.

WMI for me is great. I still think Richard is not getting my point. For me, as a cusumer, I need to have a place to have the kit installed properly, and Tuned properly to acheive the benefits of the kit. Here in Souther California, there are no tuners within 5 hrs of me that will touch my car on Meth/Water. Why that is, I have no idea. But Southern California is a hot market and there are TONS of tuners out here. But NONE will touch my car on WMI.

Now, this is very sad thought, because WMI is a very good choice, but without the support to back it up, it makes a consumer think twice as I have. My buddy is a well respected tuner out here in Southern California. His name is James Reese, and if you ask around he has a very good reputation for being an extremely gifted tuner. He will tune my car on my own **** if I wanted to, but when I mentioned Meth/water, he said ok no problem. With the Coolingmist kit, we installed at his shop, it was a complete failure. He vowed NEVER to install a Coolingmist Kit again on ANY car.

So I asked him about doing a Aquamist, and he mentioned, Jeff, Just do yourself a favor and run E85. Its easier to tune, you get more tunable power, and less equipment to worry about.

Now since this is a post about WMI and Not E85, we must mention the alternatives, in all fairness, I have not done anything yet. I want to do the WMI but I have already lost over $1200 on the coolingmist kit, install and tuning. Now I need to buy another kit, $700, Install $500 and tune $250 brings me around $1500 for about 60whp gain on WMI in the set up I would use.

Now, E85, $350 for 1050cc injectors, Tune $250 and I have a promise or its free gain of 80whp on E85 at $2.80 a gallon. (Salton Sea location California).

See that is the point of the E85, and that is why its mentioned. I like the idea that WMI and using 91 gas from anywhere and your car is good. Its a very tough pill to swallow cost wise, vs the same benefits to a certain degree. We can get technical all day on this, but from the Daily Driven car prospective, its just a tough. So I am keeping in touch with esevo (Evan Smith) and he has given me hope back into the WMI again. He knows what he is doing, he has the skill, he can tune the car, and I feel confident with him. But I am back to the 5 hour drive again. So we will see.

People blow motors all the time, running any type of fuel as Richard and many others have posted. People are boost happy and boost can kill an unprepped car quicker than the Gov of California laying off state workers.

Richard, I know you view these posts, and I am glad you are here, BIG, HUGE Props for Aquamist stepping up. I have the cash for the HFS-3 in my hand, Just PM me or something Richard and get me off the fence. haha.

 

E85 is 15% gas, 85% ethanol

 

HUH..

It also makes more power than oxygenated Q16.. Not sure where packs a punch of vp110 came from.. Assuming your guessing because its guessed to be 105-110 octane rated..