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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 08:53 AM
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Actually I was going to call this morning about getting a new 4" and putting the one I have in a different car

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If I wasnt 3k miles away Id let you use mine.
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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 09:12 AM
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Call me crazy, but the ETS looks to have the same design as the ebay specials with those large staggered internal fins and 1/4" flow channels?
Not at all... The Ebay specials have a straight through internal fin pack. We have an offset and staggered fin pack on the design. We switched from 3/8 to 1/4 and loosened up the internal fin pack for less pressure drop. By changing the charge rows to 1/4 we are able to get a few more charge rows which added more heat transfer plates for better cooling and efficiency.

I have a picture of the ETS vs Ebay


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The eBay special above is the standard core you receive from eBay, we pull these off of customer cars all the time. The eBay special has straight through internal fins like a channel where the ETS if offset and staggered and forced the air to split and hit multiple fins.

Here is a graph on a 6765 car.. ETS vs Ebay core.. You can see the difference by just switching the intercooler. This is the only thing changed.



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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBradley
Actually I was going to call this morning about getting a new 4" and putting the one I have in a different car

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Aaron,

Yes! We should do this When will you be available for testing? I would like to take some video as well!

Michael
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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 09:23 AM
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I pulled off a cxracing/ebay intercooler for a ets, the ets has 5 more rows of fins, iirc. Also you can literal see threw the ebay intercooler from inlet to outlet.
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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 3gEclipseTurbo
I pulled off a cxracing/ebay intercooler for a ets, the ets has 5 more rows of fins, iirc. Also you can literal see threw the ebay intercooler from inlet to outlet.
Watch the sunset through your intercooler - eBay special!

Michael
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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 09:32 AM
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I'm loving my ETS 3.5" so far
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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 09:38 AM
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is the test going to be between the 3.5 garret and the 3.5 ets?

I think that's more appropriate than the 3.8 garret to the 4.0 ets.
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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 10:03 AM
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Should add the ebay special to test list, for some good laughs.
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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 3gEclipseTurbo
Should add the ebay special to test list, for some good laughs.
I don't want to test that intercooler on one of my cars, afraid it might come apart. Did you see the missing pieces of internal fin pack on the intercooler above?

We had an intercooler from a big name manufacturer on this forum come apart and ruin the motor on one of our shop cars. I won't say names, but there is a reason I don't recommend certain cores.

The core that ruined our motor on the inlet and outlet looked like a tube was welded directly to the end tank with no porting, so you could feel the pipe on the inside of the inlet and outlet, not only is this bad for turbulence it also had slag on it

Lesson learned, when I buy a car and it has someone else's intercooler / craftsmanship on it... i'm pulling it off and running our parts before I dyno it or push it.

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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 10:46 AM
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What core do you have now?
ETS 4" now, so it would be back to back.
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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ETS Michael
Aaron,

Yes! We should do this When will you be available for testing? I would like to take some video as well!

Michael
Ummm tonight? I called and got Chris, call when you get a chance I need to know about Nathan's DSM housing for the Volvo.
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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by CBRD
the density of the garret cores is what makes them cool properly efficiently!

Our TA car never gained more than 1-5 degrees over ambient temps with the garrett core.... regardless of construction... fin count etc... it simply WORKS....

bottom line.

There are nice intercoolers out there, but we have found the Garrett Core to simply work the best

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Did i read this right?? 1-5 degrees.. Your telling me with 80 degrees Ambient temps for example you never saw higher than 85 degrees AIT??? What was the TA car on 2psi?? I would say check your sensor..

Mike
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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AWD Motorsports
Did i read this right?? 1-5 degrees.. Your telling me with 80 degrees Ambient temps for example you never saw higher than 85 degrees AIT??? What was the TA car on 2psi?? I would say check your sensor..

Mike
Mike,

yes that is correct...

the car would start off with a higher AIT than ambient because of the inherent heatsoak of the piping in the engine bay, and by the end of a 3rd gear pull it would be within a few degrees of ambient...

Erkel confirmed this (as did charlie) on the 700whp car with our FMIC also

this is the exact core that David uses...

cheers

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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 01:43 PM
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I've seen David claim the same couple degrees above ambient on the dyno.

FWIW though, on a GT42R car making 800 WHP, we only saw like a 10-15 degree increase from start to finish on a 4th gear pull using an Ebay intercooler at 30 psi. Dynos don't even come close to showing the whole picture as on the drag strip, that car would pick up like 60-70F above ambient at the 600HP level (23-25 psi). Can't imagine what it would have looked like had we turned the boost up to the 800 HP level.
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Old Feb 1, 2011 | 01:59 PM
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We haven't had a single problem on Jeff Busch's car running 8.60's last year or any of our other cars. We set a record 9-sec pass with our X using our core as well. This argument is funny.. if we are talking about 1-2 degree difference in hypothetical situations.

We test all of our products, we race all of our products, we support the community and sell what we run. We don't build anything that no one can replicate... all of our customers produce the same times and results that we produce with our own products
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