I just wish I could have fit your 5" or 6" ic without tubing my rad support

 

It will fit with the stock rad support, it's just going to require a very thin front bumper cover

 

OHHH ok i see now.. So a 3 second 3rd gear pull the AIT didnt go up more than 1-5 degrees.. I was under the impression you drove the car at the track and logged 1-5 degrees over ambient as you lapped the track..

Im pretty sure we both know a 3rd gear pull for 3 seconds doesnt show much data.. most guys drive the car thru 4 gears.. What i prefer to do is log my car at the top of 4th gear going thru the traps.. That gives you the true effectiveness of the intercooler.. Or of course logging as you lap the road course.. The Buschur FMIC works great as i have logged temps approx 15-20 degrees over ambient vs. 70+ with a another core we used to use.. I have never logged ETS to comment on it..

I know what core Dave uses.. I have been selling them for 4 years..

Mike

 

So what's the point of the post Mike that buschur makes the best core??

 

Did you read what i wrote?? Not my point at all.. 1st off Buschur doesnt make the core.. Garret does.. Its the same CBRD uses as well.. I never tested ETS new core so how can i say Buschur is the best.. I never ran CBRD intercooler or about 50 other manufacturers intercoolers..

What can i say is what worked best that i have used is the Buschur on my Evo.. I havent used anything else since i had a POS one on my car before that.. it wasnt ETS either.. Nothing more to add to this thread

Mike

 

Just to clarify up front... I'm not commenting on AWD's post at all.

The previous tests showing ETS versus the Garrett core should be tossed out. For these back to back tests...the turbo shaft speed has to be held constant or at least measured.

If you're measuring boost to boost... an intercooler with a higher fin density will have a larger pressure loss. you'll have more heat transfer, lower ambient temps, and then you'll have to increase the turbocharger shaft speed in order to compensate for "the less boost" so its a "fair" * cough NOT FAIR cough comparison.

To do this comparison effectively you need to be able to measure turbocharger shaft speed.

 

Ok cool were all happy now thanks for the post Mike I learned alot.what other core did u have before the garret??thanks.

 

It was an intercooler core i dont think is used anymore so not even worth commenting on.. it did surprise me though how much better the garret was and since then i never looked back on my personal car..

Mike

 

If the garret core worked on your car I will only use a garret its proven.thanks

 

I agree with this...

to be simple and down to the point... we have come to the conclusion that the benefit of the charge air temp heat reduction through the use of a dense internal find design outweighs the affects of the pressure drop associated with such a core...

that is our position on the matter...

ETS certainly did kick up some density in their cores.... which atleast shows they saw some merit in the density... which I respect.

Cheers

cb

 

Anybody tried a smaller Garrett core?

I know the 24x12x3.8 is king dick, but for a car making 400ish it seems pretty overkill and maybe one of the smaller Garretts would perform as well without the added cost and weight?

For example, a friend used the 18x12x4.5 a long time ago in his SFWD Del Sol and that car still managed 160mph traps at Bandimere.

 

yes, we have used some smaller ones on road race cars... we did one in similar height to the 3.8" and only 3.1" thick.. the car managed 600whp as a road race car... it was mainly done for weight.

cb

 

I think that Buschur no longer lists the BFIC. If you want one you might try contacting them though. I asked him once and he said to call their workshop and ask if there are any more endtanks for the 4.5" core in existence. If they have the tanks then he said that they can order the 4.5" Garrett core and that they will build a BFIC for you upon request.

 

I have to find out about this thanks for that sparky..If they don't make it ill just buy the cbrd one or the buschur race core if ets doesn't do anything for me.

 

Yeah, you might want to talk to Mike at ETS. I kinda remember him mentioning that for some reason he didn't recommend the Garrett 4.5" core under certain circumstances and/or for all applications. It's been a while though and I don't recall his exact reasons right off the top of my head.