Here we go again, quiet cat-back clarification needed.
The picture in the link you posted does not have a test pipe , just a hfc .
The center magnaflow replaces the catalytic converter . I don't think there is enough room to fit both .
As for testing . You could run a non fouler as long as they just check the obd2 . However if they use a sniffer , then at the time when testing is needed you can get a hfc. I actually have the buschur hfc but the flange cut off if you want that . Because what I did was, I simply used it's flange to clamp on to the 6 " muffler and bolt it to my exhaust .
The center magnaflow replaces the catalytic converter . I don't think there is enough room to fit both .
As for testing . You could run a non fouler as long as they just check the obd2 . However if they use a sniffer , then at the time when testing is needed you can get a hfc. I actually have the buschur hfc but the flange cut off if you want that . Because what I did was, I simply used it's flange to clamp on to the 6 " muffler and bolt it to my exhaust .
Ca. law calls for 20" away.
So I just did a compare of a Omega HHSL1 sound measuring device vs. my phone running the free android boy decibel meter app.
California law calls for measuring 20" away from the exhaust tip between 3k-5k. I just performed a 3k rev check.
--------------******** Outside ********
--------------------Omega HHSL1-----Phone
--------------------db-C / db-A---------db-A
1200rpm---------108 / 86 ----------- 93
3000rpm---------110 / 93 ---------- 96
#### not sure why my phones outside 3k value is different than the other day??
----******** Inside w-windows closed********
--------------------Omega HHSL1-----Phone
--------------------db-C / db-A---------db-A
1200rpm-------86-94 / 62 ----------- 60
3000rpm---------- 86 / 71 ---------- 72
inside cabin #'s are pretty close to each other when measuring in db-A
Anyway, I was having this discussion with a friend of mine that is head of the android section of a pda forum and an ex audio installer/spl competitor, and he seems pretty confident that a phone mic does not have the sensitivity to pick up exhaust frequencies. So I'm not sure a phone app will fit the bill.
I think we'd have better luck with a community db meter, shipping it around to various owners to list their specs and db at whatever distance was decided on.
In keeping with that, he is going to bring his db meter next week to work so I can try to get before and after's on my exhaust now and then on whatever solution I try. Of course, I won't be able to send that around... but I did check on them myself and it seems like there are a few $20 db meters out there that don't get great reviews for sensitivity.
I think we'd have better luck with a community db meter, shipping it around to various owners to list their specs and db at whatever distance was decided on.
In keeping with that, he is going to bring his db meter next week to work so I can try to get before and after's on my exhaust now and then on whatever solution I try. Of course, I won't be able to send that around... but I did check on them myself and it seems like there are a few $20 db meters out there that don't get great reviews for sensitivity.

California law calls for measuring 20" away from the exhaust tip between 3k-5k. I just performed a 3k rev check.
--------------******** Outside ********
--------------------Omega HHSL1-----Phone
--------------------db-C / db-A---------db-A
1200rpm---------108 / 86 ----------- 93
3000rpm---------110 / 93 ---------- 96
#### not sure why my phones outside 3k value is different than the other day??
----******** Inside w-windows closed********
--------------------Omega HHSL1-----Phone
--------------------db-C / db-A---------db-A
1200rpm-------86-94 / 62 ----------- 60
3000rpm---------- 86 / 71 ---------- 72
inside cabin #'s are pretty close to each other when measuring in db-A
I'm exactly in your situation and I'm not 20 years old trying to show everyone I have a performance machine. Had 9 years with my talon with loud exhaust and promise myself NOT to do it with the evo.
A lot of persons here will say , hey try this one it's quiet, or this one it's almost as stock. So I bought the Greddy EVo2 with some feedback and it's VERY loud "compared" to stock. (for reference: MR 02, MR DP, MR resonated TP)
BlueEvo seems the best reference as trying numerous setup.
Didn't saw the Dynomax VT and it'S too bad as I ordered the 2 Magnaflows setup and it's 4th on the list of quietness.
I will give feedback as I install this next week.
A lot of persons here will say , hey try this one it's quiet, or this one it's almost as stock. So I bought the Greddy EVo2 with some feedback and it's VERY loud "compared" to stock. (for reference: MR 02, MR DP, MR resonated TP)
BlueEvo seems the best reference as trying numerous setup.
Didn't saw the Dynomax VT and it'S too bad as I ordered the 2 Magnaflows setup and it's 4th on the list of quietness.
I will give feedback as I install this next week.
Last edited by PoloTurbo; Mar 11, 2011 at 10:54 AM.
I will be replacing my current round 7" x 18" muffler with the dynomax vt unit next week.
I already know / pretty confident that i will have to modify my flapper to reduce / hopefully eliminate the flapping = 2.3L with s2 cams.....should be fun!
when i placed a board against the tip of my muffler @ idle, there was a significant reduction in "boominess" with 1/2 the tip closed.
I already know / pretty confident that i will have to modify my flapper to reduce / hopefully eliminate the flapping = 2.3L with s2 cams.....should be fun!
when i placed a board against the tip of my muffler @ idle, there was a significant reduction in "boominess" with 1/2 the tip closed.
Well I finally got around to making a video and transferring the file to a computer. Heres a clip of an RM01a, Megan DP/TP/o2 Housing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVZw1YO4lpw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVZw1YO4lpw
The picture in the link you posted does not have a test pipe , just a hfc .
The center magnaflow replaces the catalytic converter . I don't think there is enough room to fit both .
As for testing . You could run a non fouler as long as they just check the obd2 . However if they use a sniffer , then at the time when testing is needed you can get a hfc. I actually have the buschur hfc but the flange cut off if you want that . Because what I did was, I simply used it's flange to clamp on to the 6 " muffler and bolt it to my exhaust .
The center magnaflow replaces the catalytic converter . I don't think there is enough room to fit both .
As for testing . You could run a non fouler as long as they just check the obd2 . However if they use a sniffer , then at the time when testing is needed you can get a hfc. I actually have the buschur hfc but the flange cut off if you want that . Because what I did was, I simply used it's flange to clamp on to the 6 " muffler and bolt it to my exhaust .
Ca. law calls for 20" away.
So I just did a compare of a Omega HHSL1 sound measuring device vs. my phone running the free android boy decibel meter app.
California law calls for measuring 20" away from the exhaust tip between 3k-5k. I just performed a 3k rev check.
--------------******** Outside ********
--------------------Omega HHSL1-----Phone
--------------------db-C / db-A---------db-A
1200rpm---------108 / 86 ----------- 93
3000rpm---------110 / 93 ---------- 96
#### not sure why my phones outside 3k value is different than the other day??
----******** Inside w-windows closed********
--------------------Omega HHSL1-----Phone
--------------------db-C / db-A---------db-A
1200rpm-------86-94 / 62 ----------- 60
3000rpm---------- 86 / 71 ---------- 72
inside cabin #'s are pretty close to each other when measuring in db-A
So I just did a compare of a Omega HHSL1 sound measuring device vs. my phone running the free android boy decibel meter app.
California law calls for measuring 20" away from the exhaust tip between 3k-5k. I just performed a 3k rev check.
--------------******** Outside ********
--------------------Omega HHSL1-----Phone
--------------------db-C / db-A---------db-A
1200rpm---------108 / 86 ----------- 93
3000rpm---------110 / 93 ---------- 96
#### not sure why my phones outside 3k value is different than the other day??
----******** Inside w-windows closed********
--------------------Omega HHSL1-----Phone
--------------------db-C / db-A---------db-A
1200rpm-------86-94 / 62 ----------- 60
3000rpm---------- 86 / 71 ---------- 72
inside cabin #'s are pretty close to each other when measuring in db-A
For kicks, I'll run it on my Nexus One and G1 and see what mine says, lmao.
I'm exactly in your situation and I'm not 20 years old trying to show everyone I have a performance machine. Had 9 years with my talon with loud exhaust and promise myself NOT to do it with the evo.
A lot of persons here will say , hey try this one it's quiet, or this one it's almost as stock. So I bought the Greddy EVo2 with some feedback and it's VERY loud "compared" to stock. (for reference: MR 02, MR DP, MR resonated TP)
BlueEvo seems the best reference as trying numerous setup.
Didn't saw the Dynomax VT and it'S too bad as I ordered the 2 Magnaflows setup and it's 4th on the list of quietness.
I will give feedback as I install this next week.
A lot of persons here will say , hey try this one it's quiet, or this one it's almost as stock. So I bought the Greddy EVo2 with some feedback and it's VERY loud "compared" to stock. (for reference: MR 02, MR DP, MR resonated TP)
BlueEvo seems the best reference as trying numerous setup.
Didn't saw the Dynomax VT and it'S too bad as I ordered the 2 Magnaflows setup and it's 4th on the list of quietness.
I will give feedback as I install this next week.
I actually think you will be happy with the 2 Magnaflows. May I ask EXACTLY what you ordered? Did you order the buscur Magnaflow turbo-back and 6" Magnaflow from Summit (or elsewhere)? Otherwise, I don't think you get the pipe for the 6" with the cat-back.
Just to confirm my point, I took my car to a local racer-owned alignment shop that specializes in aggressive street and track setups to have my ride height raised slightly and the alignment tweaked for the street.
He tracks frequently and sees many track cars from spec miatas to full-cage race cars, and he said mine was seriously too loud. The first thing he noticed was the earplugs in the cupholder, and when I mentioned it, he said, you've got to QUIET THAT THING DOWN. With that emphasis.
Maybe it is the hearing loss I suffered on my recent trip with the Evo, but it didn't sound that loud today. It did drone like a mother though.
He tracks frequently and sees many track cars from spec miatas to full-cage race cars, and he said mine was seriously too loud. The first thing he noticed was the earplugs in the cupholder, and when I mentioned it, he said, you've got to QUIET THAT THING DOWN. With that emphasis.
Maybe it is the hearing loss I suffered on my recent trip with the Evo, but it didn't sound that loud today. It did drone like a mother though.
Well I finally got around to making a video and transferring the file to a computer. Heres a clip of an RM01a, Megan DP/TP/o2 Housing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVZw1YO4lpw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVZw1YO4lpw
I will be replacing my current round 7" x 18" muffler with the dynomax vt unit next week.
I already know / pretty confident that i will have to modify my flapper to reduce / hopefully eliminate the flapping = 2.3L with s2 cams.....should be fun!
when i placed a board against the tip of my muffler @ idle, there was a significant reduction in "boominess" with 1/2 the tip closed.
I already know / pretty confident that i will have to modify my flapper to reduce / hopefully eliminate the flapping = 2.3L with s2 cams.....should be fun!
when i placed a board against the tip of my muffler @ idle, there was a significant reduction in "boominess" with 1/2 the tip closed.
Of course, we would cover the entire thing instead of half the tip. That's interesting. What steps do you think you'll start with on the flapper? Drilling it as BluEVOIX suggested? or dremel the edge or what?
The picture in the link you posted does not have a test pipe , just a hfc .
The center magnaflow replaces the catalytic converter . I don't think there is enough room to fit both .
As for testing . You could run a non fouler as long as they just check the obd2 . However if they use a sniffer , then at the time when testing is needed you can get a hfc. I actually have the buschur hfc but the flange cut off if you want that . Because what I did was, I simply used it's flange to clamp on to the 6 " muffler and bolt it to my exhaust .
The center magnaflow replaces the catalytic converter . I don't think there is enough room to fit both .
As for testing . You could run a non fouler as long as they just check the obd2 . However if they use a sniffer , then at the time when testing is needed you can get a hfc. I actually have the buschur hfc but the flange cut off if you want that . Because what I did was, I simply used it's flange to clamp on to the 6 " muffler and bolt it to my exhaust .
I dont have a smart phone/db app, but I think the camera was placed too close to the exhaust. I'll try and make another video later this week at a different distance.
The problem is not the camera, its that we have nothing to compare the exhaust to in the video to really understand how loud/quiet something is. Maybe compare it to a random car with oem exhaust ?
if the thing is still banging, then off with it's head...or in this case the flapper & onto plan c =
Ca. law calls for 20" away.
So I just did a compare of a Omega HHSL1 sound measuring device vs. my phone running the free android boy decibel meter app.
California law calls for measuring 20" away from the exhaust tip between 3k-5k. I just performed a 3k rev check.
--------------******** Outside ********
--------------------Omega HHSL1-----Phone
--------------------db-C / db-A---------db-A
1200rpm---------108 / 86 ----------- 93
3000rpm---------110 / 93 ---------- 96
#### not sure why my phones outside 3k value is different than the other day??
----******** Inside w-windows closed********
--------------------Omega HHSL1-----Phone
--------------------db-C / db-A---------db-A
1200rpm-------86-94 / 62 ----------- 60
3000rpm---------- 86 / 71 ---------- 72
inside cabin #'s are pretty close to each other when measuring in db-A
So I just did a compare of a Omega HHSL1 sound measuring device vs. my phone running the free android boy decibel meter app.
California law calls for measuring 20" away from the exhaust tip between 3k-5k. I just performed a 3k rev check.
--------------******** Outside ********
--------------------Omega HHSL1-----Phone
--------------------db-C / db-A---------db-A
1200rpm---------108 / 86 ----------- 93
3000rpm---------110 / 93 ---------- 96
#### not sure why my phones outside 3k value is different than the other day??
----******** Inside w-windows closed********
--------------------Omega HHSL1-----Phone
--------------------db-C / db-A---------db-A
1200rpm-------86-94 / 62 ----------- 60
3000rpm---------- 86 / 71 ---------- 72
inside cabin #'s are pretty close to each other when measuring in db-A
Here are the results:
2005 Evo VIII
HKS 272/272, AMS GT35R
GTSpec Headers, Perrin 3" downpipe, CBE, HFC.
--------------******** Outside ********
--------------------Phone
--------------------db-A
1200rpm---------93 (distance 20')
3000rpm---------no data (no second person)
----******** Inside w-windows closed********
--------------------Phone
--------------------db-A
1200rpm---------73
3000rpm---------82
EDIT: HOLY ****! I just saw that your distance was 20" as in INCHES. I didn't read this post before I went out and measured... mine was 93 db at 20 FEET.

So from seeing these... It's pretty evident that my car is as loud as I think it is. I started it this morning and came back in to let it warm up, and when it idled down, the dishes were rattling in the cabinets.
Here are the exhausts and combinations I have had, in order of quietness during normal driving: Scale 1-10 (10 quietest)
10. Complete stock turbo back.
9.5 Dynomax VT muffler exhaust
9.5 3" downpipe, testpipe and OEM catback
8.5 Tanabe Medallion catback with OEM cat and OEM downpipe!!
7.5 Buschur Double Magnaflow exhaust. (7" rear magnaflow and 6" center) catless
6.5 Cobb TBE exhaust (catless) (over time got a little louder, I guess packing burning up)
5.0 Buschur TBE with bullet center and vibrant widebody muffler in the rear
5.0 Buschur TBE with HFC and Magnaflow muffler
5.0 Tanabe medallion catback with 3" testpipe and downpipe
4.0 RRE stealth exhaust with 3" downpipe and testpipe.
2.0 Jun BL catback with 3" downpipe and testpipe
1.0 Buschur TBE with bullet center no muffler in the rear.
10. Complete stock turbo back.
9.5 Dynomax VT muffler exhaust
9.5 3" downpipe, testpipe and OEM catback
8.5 Tanabe Medallion catback with OEM cat and OEM downpipe!!
7.5 Buschur Double Magnaflow exhaust. (7" rear magnaflow and 6" center) catless
6.5 Cobb TBE exhaust (catless) (over time got a little louder, I guess packing burning up)
5.0 Buschur TBE with bullet center and vibrant widebody muffler in the rear
5.0 Buschur TBE with HFC and Magnaflow muffler
5.0 Tanabe medallion catback with 3" testpipe and downpipe
4.0 RRE stealth exhaust with 3" downpipe and testpipe.
2.0 Jun BL catback with 3" downpipe and testpipe
1.0 Buschur TBE with bullet center no muffler in the rear.
I know the noise is going to be where I want it to be (near stock) but I think I'm going to lose power big-time.
Anybody have any rough ideas how much you lose going to a stock CBE?
I have the Greddy Evo II with test pipe and 3"down pipe. Also had the neck down on it cut off. It's on the quiet side for me, I'd like to have something a bit louder but don't know which other one I'd want that isn't too loud.






